Make that a Very Large Block of SALT...

Phil

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@...> wrote:
>
> You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and I
have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
>  
> 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per day. 
Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
>  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
>  
> And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California, and
Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
>  
> Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media, but
you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
>  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
>
> Ken, WB0OCV
> Norton, MA USA
> 41.959546N, 71.133996W
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: . <revtkatt@...>
> >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> >
> >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in Anaheim,
but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the planet to
nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> >
> >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> >>
> >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than
6 months ago
> >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur
per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever detected:
University researchers
> >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to public �"
"Very high doses to children"
> >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of 18
EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> >> >
> >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, journalism keeps us in touch with
the ignorance of the community.
Oscar Wilde


--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Phil" <n5tsx.6@...> wrote:
>
> Make that a Very Large Block of SALT...
>
> Phil
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@> wrote:
> >
> > You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and I
have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
> >  
> > 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per day. 
Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
> >  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
> >  
> > And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California, and
Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
> >  
> > Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media,
but you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
> >  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
> >
> > Ken, WB0OCV
> > Norton, MA USA
> > 41.959546N, 71.133996W
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: . <revtkatt@>
> > >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> > >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> > >
> > >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in
Anaheim, but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the
planet to nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> > >
> > >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> > >>
> > >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> > >>
> > >> -Pete
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> > >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> > >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher
than 6 months ago
> > >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> > >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive
sulfur per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> > >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> > >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever
detected: University researchers
> > >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to public �"
"Very high doses to children"
> > >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of
18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> > >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> > >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> > >> >
> > >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that after
the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We don't
want people to get scared...
Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
Raye


--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@...> wrote:
>
> You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and I
have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
>  
> 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per day. 
Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
>  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
>  
> And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California, and
Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
>  
> Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media, but
you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
>  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
>
> Ken, WB0OCV
> Norton, MA USA
> 41.959546N, 71.133996W
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: . <revtkatt@...>
> >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> >
> >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in Anaheim,
but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the planet to
nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> >
> >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> >>
> >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than
6 months ago
> >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur
per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever detected:
University researchers
> >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to public �"
"Very high doses to children"
> >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of 18
EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> >> >
> >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think
> that after the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
> The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the
> NRC. We don't want people to get scared...
> Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> Raye

This looks like an attempt to rewrite history to agree with some
unspecified agenda.

"The original term, dating to 1907, was "half-life period", which
was later shortened to "half-life" in the early 1950s."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

Not nearly as sinister as the agenda would have one believe.

Gary

Boron and Boron compounds like Boric acid are very cheap...

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Japan has to buy it, therefore it's too expensive...
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Robert Druecker <robertdruecker@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Boron/Borax is mined in the Mojave desert in California.  you can buy all
you want at any grocery store in the detergent isle, for about 4.00 a box
> > It is called borax.  It is also the main ingredient in Roach poison, and is
used in swimming pools as well as in the clothes washer..  It is not expensive
at all.  I get it for some of the apartment complexes so the residents can
sprinkle it around in the cupboards.  trade names are  Boraxo,  20 mule team
borax.and generic names. It can be wetted down and becomes a solidshape you
chose. > To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: n8nap@
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:16:16 +0000
> > > Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: Any one have an update on the meltdowns in
Japan?
> > >
> > > Boron? is it expensive? They can't afford it!
> > > part of the problem... Ok, once it's melted down, the fuel is now lumped
together and is going reactive since it can't be seperated. It needs to be blown
apart, boron moderated and then cooled down. Worry there is both another quake
and supposedly the radiation is so high that it's destroying the measuring
equipment
> > > Raye
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "." <revtkatt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A guy a talk to through work said that one unit has melted fuel down
into the bottom head drain under vessel. So that is through the core support
down into the bottom side of the vessel. I think it is unit 2.
> > > >
> > > > Feh.  An uncooled previously working reactor will stay thermally hot for
a year.  Melt if you don't cool it.  Blobs of radioactive hot ceramic/metal
mixtures at the bottom of a concrete containment
> > > > structure.
> > > >
> > > > Question is: is fission quenched in the melted slag puddles?
> > > > Or are there spontaneous startups?
> > > > Easy to measure via xenon etc.  Boron is your friend.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think the situation is probably ok, but that would be the hazard and
the metric.
> > > >
> > > > In emergency use brisants to disperse and blow a lot of boron in there.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

Now that I've just heard that, I feel like now is a good time for this thread to
end.

Are you really telling a bunch of people with years of training and work in the
nuclear field that the concept of half life is a hoax?

You are either profoundly ignorant or a troll.

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that after
the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
>  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We
don't want people to get scared...
> Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> Raye
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@> wrote:
> >
> > You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and I
have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
> >  
> > 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per day. 
Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
> >  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
> >  
> > And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California, and
Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
> >  
> > Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media,
but you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
> >  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
> >
> > Ken, WB0OCV
> > Norton, MA USA
> > 41.959546N, 71.133996W
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: . <revtkatt@>
> > >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> > >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> > >
> > >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in
Anaheim, but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the
planet to nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> > >
> > >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> > >>
> > >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> > >>
> > >> -Pete
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> > >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> > >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher
than 6 months ago
> > >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> > >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive
sulfur per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> > >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> > >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever
detected: University researchers
> > >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to public �"
"Very high doses to children"
> > >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of
18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> > >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> > >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> > >> >
> > >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I was in the industry decades ago. We were not allowed to wear film badges
unless we were actually working with live sources, yet others in the lab/
production were a few feet away. There were also no film badges for most of the
other production workes yet many worked under/ next to the nuke source/ product
store room. The industry is govt sanctioned and industry controlled and part of
the reason I was glad to get out of it. Sorry but I still subscribe to the
Roentgen measurements and not whatever BQ's now mean! The real question is what
did Japan plan to do with all their nuke waste? Contaminate the whole planet?
We also have many nuke plants in fault zones and some are now getting shaken
from natural gas Fracking. Unknown if any have gone into shutdown. However the
lack of backup cooling especially near coastal (tsunami- Monsoon, hurricane)
area's and the "revelation" of shut down-safe mode reactors still requiring
massive cooling was omitted from all local disaster plans as well as evacuation
plans only covering a 10 mile radius. Now Fuku is claiming their instrumentation
is failing from the impact of high level radiation particles? (guess they
couldn't afford "radiation hardened" devices and old school mechanical logic!


--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Juno" <usbiker133t@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I've just heard that, I feel like now is a good time for this thread
to end.
>
> Are you really telling a bunch of people with years of training and work in
the nuclear field that the concept of half life is a hoax?
>
> You are either profoundly ignorant or a troll.
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@> wrote:
> >
> > Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that
after the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
> >  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We
don't want people to get scared...
> > Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> > Raye
> >
> >
> > --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and
I have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
> > >  
> > > 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per
day.  Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
> > >  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
> > >  
> > > And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California,
and Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
> > >  
> > > Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media,
but you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
> > >  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
> > >
> > > Ken, WB0OCV
> > > Norton, MA USA
> > > 41.959546N, 71.133996W
> > >
> > >
> > > >________________________________
> > > >From: . <revtkatt@>
> > > >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> > > >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> > > >
> > > >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in
Anaheim, but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the
planet to nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> > > >
> > > >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> > > >>
> > > >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> > > >>
> > > >> -Pete
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> > > >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> > > >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher
than 6 months ago
> > > >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> > > >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive
sulfur per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> > > >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> > > >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever
detected: University researchers
> > > >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert
thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to
public �" "Very high doses to children"
> > > >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of
18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> > > >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> > > >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I am not gonna waste my time to write the ten page response it would take to
combat every ignorant statement in this post. You just compared Roentgen to
Becquerels.....

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> I was in the industry decades ago. We were not allowed to wear film badges
unless we were actually working with live sources, yet others in the lab/
production were a few feet away. There were also no film badges for most of the
other production workes yet many worked under/ next to the nuke source/ product
store room. The industry is govt sanctioned and industry controlled and part of
the reason I was glad to get out of it. Sorry but I still subscribe to the
Roentgen measurements and not whatever BQ's now mean! The real question is what
did Japan plan to do with all their nuke waste? Contaminate the whole planet?
> We also have many nuke plants in fault zones and some are now getting shaken
from natural gas Fracking. Unknown if any have gone into shutdown. However the
lack of backup cooling especially near coastal (tsunami- Monsoon, hurricane)
area's and the "revelation" of shut down-safe mode reactors still requiring
massive cooling was omitted from all local disaster plans as well as evacuation
plans only covering a 10 mile radius. Now Fuku is claiming their instrumentation
is failing from the impact of high level radiation particles? (guess they
couldn't afford "radiation hardened" devices and old school mechanical logic!
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Juno" <usbiker133t@> wrote:
> >
> > Now that I've just heard that, I feel like now is a good time for this
thread to end.
> >
> > Are you really telling a bunch of people with years of training and work in
the nuclear field that the concept of half life is a hoax?
> >
> > You are either profoundly ignorant or a troll.
> >
> > --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that
after the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
> > >  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We
don't want people to get scared...
> > > Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> > > Raye
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it,
and I have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to
scrutinize these "news" reports...
> > > >  
> > > > 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per
day.  Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
> > > >  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
> > > >  
> > > > And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California,
and Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
> > > >  
> > > > Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened"
media, but you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate
yourself, and understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions,
before you jump to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure
encouraged by David Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a
little bit about what I'm talking about -- I completed five years of
post-undergrad university courses and research in Health Physics back in the
early 1980s, and have spent the past 26 years working as a professional Health
Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist working with environmental
radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as much as the average news
reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm trying to get there.  And
don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty of reputable resources out
there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek out the knowledge
> > > >  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
> > > >
> > > > Ken, WB0OCV
> > > > Norton, MA USA
> > > > 41.959546N, 71.133996W
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >________________________________
> > > > >From: . <revtkatt@>
> > > > >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> > > > >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have
disintegrated inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> > > > >
> > > > >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in
Anaheim, but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the
planet to nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Pete
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> > > > >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA
air monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> > > > >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher
than 6 months ago
> > > > >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> > > > >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive
sulfur per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> > > > >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³
was detected in California air
> > > > >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever
detected: University researchers
> > > > >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert
thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to
public �" "Very high doses to children"
> > > > >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8
of 18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now
"undergoing quality review"
> > > > >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> > > > >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

Now that I've just heard that, I feel like now is a good time for this thread to end.

Are you really telling a bunch of people with years of training and work in the nuclear field that the concept of half life is a hoax?

You are either profoundly ignorant or a troll.

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that after the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
> The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We don't want people to get scared...
> Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> Raye
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@> wrote:
  .

 

What came from GE comes back to GE.

Stephen Young

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "." <revtkatt@...> wrote:
>
>
> Indeed.  During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body.  (4KBq assumed)
>
>
> It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in Anaheim,
but more of meteorological interest.  It takes a few trips around the planet to
nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
>
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> >
> > I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> >
> > "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> > > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> > > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than 6
months ago
> > > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after Fukushima
> > > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur
per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> > > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter� was
detected in California air
> > > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever detected:
University researchers
> > > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima � Data not released to public � "Very
high doses to children"
> > > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of 18
EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington � Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> > > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> > > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> > >
> > > ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I personally don't think so.
As a comparison "healthy" low sodium salt subsitute has about 16000Bq/kg of K40.

Robert G8RPI.


--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:
>
> Is 380 Bq/kg of I131 considered high?
> used to be zero
>
> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
>     
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Peter Loron <peterl@...>
> To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [CDV700CLUB] california slammed by Fuku
>
>
>
>  
>
> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it. 
>
> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
>
> -Pete
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
>
>http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-ra\
diation
> >Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131Over EPA limit: Cesium
levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than 6 months agoUSGS: Los Angeles
area had highest cesium deposition in US after Fukushima“Tends to concentrate
in the testicles”: 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur per day may have been
inhaled by Californians after FukushimaUnprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of
radioactive sulfur per meter³ was detected in California airRadioactive sulfur
in California spiked to highest levels ever detected: University
researchersControversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert
thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to
public �" “Very high doses to children”Spike in radiation levels for West
Coast? “Abnormal” readings on 8 of 18 EPA monitors for California, Oregon,
Washington �" Devices now “undergoing quality
>  review”Nuclear policy expert: “Striking” that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking
waterUranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> >
> >...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> >    
> >
> >
>

But remember, when Ken talks about "... a grain of salt...", he means REAL salt,
not the fake , "for dietary purpose" stuff. ;)

For disclosure sake, I read and enjoyed "Calvin & Hobbes" and always enjoyed the
humour.  I wish I had had the same feelings toward my long forgotten chemistry
and physic classes, alas!

This said, thanks Ken, well put!

Stephen Young

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@...> wrote:
>
> You've got to love the alarmist media.  I like Revkatt's take on it, and I
have to expand on his thread, in the hope of encouraging people to scrutinize
these "news" reports...
>  
> 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur "...may have been..."  inhaled per day. 
Which isotope of radioactive sulfur are they alarming about -- there are
several.  I assume they're talking about Sulfur-35, with an 87.4 day half-life,
the only one with a long enough half-life to travel across the Pacific and still
be detectable.  With a decay rate of 9.17E-8 decays/second, that would equate
to a whopping 3.30E-5 (0.000033) Becquerels of S-35 inhaled per day, or 8.93E-10
(0.000000000893) microCuries/day.  Even if one inhaled S-35 at that rate for an
entire year, their total inhalation of S-35 would be 1.20E-2 Bq/yr.  ICRP-72
lists an maximum adult inhalation dose coefficient of 1.90E-9 Sieverts/Becquerel
(1.90E-4 mrem/Bq) to the effective total body, with a maximum organ dose of
1.50E-8 Sv/Bq (1.50E-3 mrem/Bq) to the lung.  The maximum effective total body
dose from inhaling 0.012 Bq of S-35 would be 2.29E-6 mrem/yr, and 1.80E-5
mrem/yr to the lung. 
>  That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the 300-400 mrem/yr the
average person gets from radon each year.  I'm not trying to diminish the alarm
the  press might give to this, but I'm not going to worry about that trivial
incremental dose.  I'm picking up more dose than that from the Kalium-40
(potassium-40) in my wife's body each night I go to sleep next to her.
>  
> And, Jeepers, they detected Uranium-234 in Hawaii, southern California, and
Seattle.  In what environmental media... air, water, macadamia nuts, wine,
salmon?  And at what concentration?  I've got news for you -- it's detectable
in Massachusetts, Nebraska, Indiana, Paraguay, Senegal, Sri Lanka, Norway, and
Antarctica too.  Not surprising, considering U-234 is naturally-occurring as
the third "daughter" down in the Uranium-238 decay chain.   If you take any
soil sample from anywhere in the world and count it long enough, you'll find
U-234.  U-234 has been present in the environment for billions of years before
the first man-made fissioning of uranium ever occurred.
>  
> Again, I'm not trying to diminish the message of the "enlightened" media, but
you need to take this "news" with a grain of salt.  Educate yourself, and
understand the terms, the units, and questions the assumptions, before you jump
to any conclusions.  And in the light of full disclosure encouraged by David
Moulson earlier today, I like to think I understand a little bit about what I'm
talking about -- I completed five years of post-undergrad university courses and
research in Health Physics back in the early 1980s, and have spent the past 26
years working as a professional Health Physicist/Radiation Protection specialist
working with environmental radioactivity. Okay, okay, I probably don't know as
much as the average news reporter with a two year associate's degree, but I'm
trying to get there.  And don't just take my word for it --  there are plenty
of reputable resources out there on the Web if you take the initiative to seek
out the knowledge
>  and expertise... the Health Physics Society, the Nuclear Regulatory
Commission, the Environmental Protection Agency, the International Commission on
Radiological Protection, etc.  Seek and ye shall find, but take Google and
Wikipedia with a grain of salt.
>
> Ken, WB0OCV
> Norton, MA USA
> 41.959546N, 71.133996W
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: . <revtkatt@...>
> >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:18 PM
> >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >Indeed. During that day 345 million kalium atoms would have disintegrated
inside your body. (4KBq assumed)
> >
> >It is interesting to note that when they fart in Fuku we smell it in Anaheim,
but more of meteorological interest. It takes a few trips around the planet to
nicely disperse as any satellite-weather video will show.
> >
> >--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Peter Loron <peterl@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.
> >>
> >> "360 atoms of sulfur!" Run! The sky is falling!
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-13-30/california-slammed-fukushima-rad\
iation
> >> > Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air
monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131
> >> > Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than
6 months ago
> >> > USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after
Fukushima
> >> > "Tends to concentrate in the testicles": 360+ atoms of radioactive sulfur
per day may have been inhaled by Californians after Fukushima
> >> > Unprecedented Spike: 1501 atoms of radioactive sulfur per meter³ was
detected in California air
> >> > Radioactive sulfur in California spiked to highest levels ever detected:
University researchers
> >> > Controversy after US gov't estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid
dose for California infants from Fukushima �" Data not released to public �"
"Very high doses to children"
> >> > Spike in radiation levels for West Coast? "Abnormal" readings on 8 of 18
EPA monitors for California, Oregon, Washington �" Devices now "undergoing
quality review"
> >> > Nuclear policy expert: "Striking" that radioactive iodine-131 in
California rainwater is so far above level permitted in drinking water
> >> > Uranium-234 detected in Hawaii, Southern California, and Seattle
> >> >
> >> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I just flew back from Florida last Wednesday, and had the gumption of asking the
stiff military-looking guy past the back-scatter scanner if he wore a dosimeter.
After he visually scanned me up and down he did answer :"they are offered to us
but it is a personal decision to wear them or not".

Then he gave me the spiel about how little they were exposed.

They don't seem to be worried at all.

Stephen Young

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "." <revtkatt@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "moulson4" <moulson@> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > On the other hand, I have no way of knowing what the risk would be if the
machine were malfunctioning.
>
> I once looked into the design of the machines.  The worst threat is if the
beam stops scanning and doses the same point.  This would screw up the image and
presumably be noticable to operator.  Presumably there are active sensors which
redundantly check for motion, beam current, etc.  I was curious if the machines
were designed like medical devices which can do harm if they go haywire.  I
didn't get to look at hazard mitigation tables or schematics though.
>
> As far as stray dose to TSA agents, does anyone find it amusing that they're
so obedient and well 'instructed' that not one of them has brought their own
dosimeter to work, and published?  I mean, if one of us knew one of them... 
just remember to run controls and wear > 1 dosimeter at a time.
>

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "frenchcanadianflyfishing"
<frenchcanadianflyfishing@...> wrote:
>

> Then he gave me the spiel about how little they were exposed.
>
> They don't seem to be worried at all.

Of course not.  The zenith of the 'trust your government' types.

Here is a link to a pretty good web site that has a lot of info about many
topics, including Fuku.  Take a look at the related stories, too.

Steve

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120402162700.htm

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@...> wrote:
>
> Iodized salt, if you please...� wards off the I-131 by swamping the thyroid
with stable iodine and preventing the uptake of the radioactive form.� ;>)��
Extra salt on the McDonalds French Fries, please.
> �
> Seriously, though, that's the same principle behind KI, or potassium iodide.�
That's how KI "protects" the thyroid, by acting as a "blocking agent" -- it
effectively "fills" the thyroid with stable iodine, such that when some
radioactive iodine comes along in the air or food, the thyroid won't absorb it,
or at least will absorb very little of it.� I realize I'm probably preaching to
the choir, but for those that don't understand the mechanism and the chemistry,
biology, and physiology behind KI, I wanted to take this opportunity to provide
a bit of education.�
> �
> Someone posted the question about whether or not 380 Becquerels/kilogram of
I-131 is "considered high".� Again, it all depends on the context in which you
use that measurement.� If it's 380 Bq/kg in a kilogram of soil that someone is
not eating, the dose consequence is trivial.� That value of 380 Bq/kg means 380
disintegrations per second of I-131 in that kilogram of material (whatever it
is).� In more "familiar" units, 380 Bq is 0.0103 microCuries, 10.3 nanoCuries,
or 10,270 picoCuries.� Even if I drank 1 Liter (about a quart) of water or milk
"contaminated" with 380 pCi/kg of I-131, my intake would be 380 Bq of I-131.� If
the individual drinking this material was a child, the thyroid dose factor is
0.361 mrem/Bq, so their thyroid dose would be 380 Bq * 0.361 mrem/Bq = 137
millirem.� Not a trivial amount, but not huge either.� Now if that child only
drank milk at that concentration for a full year and consumed 300 Liters of that
milk in the
>  year, the thyroid dose is now 41,150 mrem/yr, or 41 rem/yr.� Yes, that's
probably enough to start worrying about possible effects.� But the likelihood of
having 380 Bq/kg in the milk or water for an entire year is pretty small unless
there's a constant source term continuously "feeding" into that pathway.� If you
look at 380 Bq/L in the water today and we don't have any "new" I-131 feeding
into the water supply, �after 8-days it will have gone through one half-life,
and I'll have 50% of 380 Bq/kg, or 190 Bq/kg.� After another week goes by, we're
down to 95 Bq/kg; another week, and it's down to 48 Bq/kg.� After a month, we're
down to 24 Bq/kg.� Again, it all depends on the context the measurement is used
in, whether or not it's in a material that people are actually
consuming/ingesting, and whether or not the material remains at a constant
concentration during their entire exposure period, or was a "one time thing"
that obeys the laws of physics
>  and decays away at a predictable rate.
> �
> A couple of years ago I provided a discussion of the differences between decay
rates (Becquerels, Curies, microcuries, etc.) and dose (Roentgen, rad, rem
Sievert, Gray), and dose rate (mrem/hr, Sv/d, etc.).� Search through the
archives if interested.
>
> Ken, WB0OCV
> Norton, MA USA
> 41.959546N, 71.133996W
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: frenchcanadianflyfishing <frenchcanadianflyfishing@...>
> >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 1:28 PM
> >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> >
> >
> >�
> >But remember, when Ken talks about "... a grain of salt...", he means REAL
salt, not the fake , "for dietary purpose" stuff. ;)
> >
> >For disclosure sake, I read and enjoyed "Calvin & Hobbes" and always enjoyed
the humour. I wish I had had the same feelings toward my long forgotten
chemistry and physic classes, alas!
> >
> >This said, thanks Ken, well put!
> >
> >Stephen Young�
>

I think that pretty much everyone knows that Ken is joking about the french
fries and that iodized salt cannot contribute to stable iodine prophylaxis
against I-131 contamination. But just in case there is any residual doubt in
anyone's mind, consider the following information, complete with sources:

The amount of iodide (I-) in Morton's Iodized Table Salt, according to the
Nutritional Facts box on the label, is 45% of US RDA for a serving of 1.5 g.

According to the USDA website, the RDA for iodide (males and females 14 years
and over) is 150 ug/day.

So, Morton's Iodized Table Salt has 0.45*150 ug/1.5 g = 45 ppm of iodide by
weight.

The recommended daily intake of KI for emergency I-131 prophylaxis is 130 mg/day
(source: HPS fact sheet, Feb 11). Using the ratio of molar weights (K = 39, I =
129), this is equivalent to 100 mg/day of iodide.

This is 667 times the US RDA of iodide for nutritional purposes. The idea in
stable iodine prophylaxis is to *completely saturate* the thyroid, and this can
be accomplished only with extremely high doses of stable iodine.

So, how much salt would you need to get 100 mg of iodide? 0.1g/45 ppm = 2.2 kg
of salt per day.

I think that we can safely say that the sodium intake in this case would almost
certainly be a more acute danger than the I-131 to be blocked!

And always remember: KI prophylaxis will only protect against I-131. Obviously
it will do nothing against Cs-137, Sr-90, etc.


--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Ken Sejkora <quickhatch44@...> wrote:
>
> Iodized salt, if you please...� wards off the I-131 by swamping the thyroid
with stable iodine and preventing the uptake of the radioactive form.� ;>)��
Extra salt on the McDonalds French Fries, please.
> �
> Seriously, though, that's the same principle behind KI, or potassium iodide.�
That's how KI "protects" the thyroid, by acting as a "blocking agent" -- it
effectively "fills" the thyroid with stable iodine, such that when some
radioactive iodine comes along in the air or food, the thyroid won't absorb it,
or at least will absorb very little of it.� I realize I'm probably preaching to
the choir, but for those that don't understand the mechanism and the chemistry,
biology, and physiology behind KI, I wanted to take this opportunity to provide
a bit of education.�
> �
> Someone posted the question about whether or not 380 Becquerels/kilogram of
I-131 is "considered high".� Again, it all depends on the context in which you
use that measurement.� If it's 380 Bq/kg in a kilogram of soil that someone is
not eating, the dose consequence is trivial.� That value of 380 Bq/kg means 380
disintegrations per second of I-131 in that kilogram of material (whatever it
is).� In more "familiar" units, 380 Bq is 0.0103 microCuries, 10.3 nanoCuries,
or 10,270 picoCuries.� Even if I drank 1 Liter (about a quart) of water or milk
"contaminated" with 380 pCi/kg of I-131, my intake would be 380 Bq of I-131.� If
the individual drinking this material was a child, the thyroid dose factor is
0.361 mrem/Bq, so their thyroid dose would be 380 Bq * 0.361 mrem/Bq = 137
millirem.� Not a trivial amount, but not huge either.� Now if that child only
drank milk at that concentration for a full year and consumed 300 Liters of that
milk in the
>  year, the thyroid dose is now 41,150 mrem/yr, or 41 rem/yr.� Yes, that's
probably enough to start worrying about possible effects.� But the likelihood of
having 380 Bq/kg in the milk or water for an entire year is pretty small unless
there's a constant source term continuously "feeding" into that pathway.� If you
look at 380 Bq/L in the water today and we don't have any "new" I-131 feeding
into the water supply, �after 8-days it will have gone through one half-life,
and I'll have 50% of 380 Bq/kg, or 190 Bq/kg.� After another week goes by, we're
down to 95 Bq/kg; another week, and it's down to 48 Bq/kg.� After a month, we're
down to 24 Bq/kg.� Again, it all depends on the context the measurement is used
in, whether or not it's in a material that people are actually
consuming/ingesting, and whether or not the material remains at a constant
concentration during their entire exposure period, or was a "one time thing"
that obeys the laws of physics
>  and decays away at a predictable rate.
> �
> A couple of years ago I provided a discussion of the differences between decay
rates (Becquerels, Curies, microcuries, etc.) and dose (Roentgen, rad, rem
Sievert, Gray), and dose rate (mrem/hr, Sv/d, etc.).� Search through the
archives if interested.
>
> Ken, WB0OCV
> Norton, MA USA
> 41.959546N, 71.133996W
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: frenchcanadianflyfishing <frenchcanadianflyfishing@...>
> >To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 1:28 PM
> >Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Re: california slammed by Fuku
> >
> >
> >�
> >But remember, when Ken talks about "... a grain of salt...", he means REAL
salt, not the fake , "for dietary purpose" stuff. ;)
> >
> >For disclosure sake, I read and enjoyed "Calvin & Hobbes" and always enjoyed
the humour. I wish I had had the same feelings toward my long forgotten
chemistry and physic classes, alas!
> >
> >This said, thanks Ken, well put!
> >
> >Stephen Young�
>

Every organization or countries need some, or many, of them.  In a way, I am
thankful, better them than me.

Stephen Young

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "." <revtkatt@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "frenchcanadianflyfishing"
<frenchcanadianflyfishing@> wrote:
> >
>
> > Then he gave me the spiel about how little they were exposed.
> >
> > They don't seem to be worried at all.
>
> Of course not.  The zenith of the 'trust your government' types.
>

> I'd trust the "data" on enenews about as far as I could throw it.

Here on the Northern California coast I have not detected *anything*. I am using
a 2.25" Bicron NaI probe with 2" lead brick shield, homebrew power supply and
signal processing, PRA as the display. I have tested everything, rain water,
soil under gutter drains, air filters, pine needles, wipedowns, ect. Nothing my
setup can see... A disappointment actually.

The only thing I ever saw was a slight increase in background mid 4-11. I did
not have PRA running then, so I have no idea what I was seeing.

Granted, my setup is not lab grade, but if I can't see it I'm not worried... at
all.

-- Thanks,
Dave
http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...
I can melt ice with my mind...  Takes a few minutes though...

Lionel, Anton or Victoreen "6B"  ??? --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Dave Cole <dave@...> wrote: From: Dave Cole <dave@...> Subject: [CDV700CLUB] Wanted: DCV-700 To: CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 11:49 PM   Hi, I have a friend looking for a CDV-700 6B...  Anyone have one for sale? -- Thanks, Dave http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more... I can melt ice with my mind...  Takes a few minutes though...

Hi,

Please see my ebay items below.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/labmixers/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p36\
86

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, Dave Cole <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a friend looking for a CDV-700 6B...  Anyone have one for sale?
> --
> Thanks,
> Dave
> http://www.nk7z.net for equipment reviews, propagation, and more...
> I can melt ice with my mind...  Takes a few minutes though...
>

 

Thanks for the info. I missed getting into one of the all-site tours, but did get a spot in one of the B tours.

One nice thing about the B tour is they do allow cameras.

-Pete

On Mar 20, 2012, at 6:31 AM, <Boomologist@...> <Boomologist@...> wrote:

Hi all,

If this has been posted before I apologize.

DOE is conducting tours of the Hanford "B" reactor this spring & summer. From what I hear the spaces fill up fast.

 

     http://www5.hanford.gov/publictours/

 

                    Thanks,
                          Ron

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that after
the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
>  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We
don't want people to get scared...
> Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> Raye

I concur with what another poster wrote, You are either profoundly ignorant or a
troll.

Could I invite you to post your anti-nuclear alarmist rants on moveon.org,
democraticunderground.com, or luddites.antitechnology.org?

--- In CDV700CLUB@yahoogroups.com, "Raye N8NAP" <n8nap@...> wrote:
>
> Look, "half life is a 1950's hoax to cause the uneducated to think that after
the "half life" time period, the element is now "safe"
>  The "alarmist media" is that which has not been bought off by the NRC. We
don't want people to get scared...
> Look at "Homeland (in)Security"
> Raye

I concur with what another poster wrote, You are either profoundly ignorant or a
troll.

Could I invite you to post your anti-nuclear alarmist rants on moveon.org,
democraticunderground.com, or luddites.antitechnology.org?