Hello,

I don't know very much about this stuff, so be gentle...

I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope (better= easier
to setup and handle) than her current Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long
tube).

She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
handle and home.  Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
plus.

I'm not looking to break the bank, I just would love to upgrade from
the current one. It's also my humble opinion that the tripod on the DS-
2114 is, well...not too sturdy, and I've already replaced both motors
on this one.  The power supply is also quite terrible.

Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
mess with that stuff.

Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional in moderate
winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

Like I stated earlier, what I don't know about this stuff could fill
volumes, but I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
it's a viable upgrade or not.
If the setup we have now is OK, and I'm just a space idiot, well then
just tell me that and I'll spend that money on something else.

Thanks for your time,

Steve

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
...
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home.  Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> plus.
.......
>... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.

With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
I'm biased: i have one.  (and an LX200gps)

First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
"plop on level table, point north".  (i have the non-PE version,
and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.

The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
(you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
it) for the same eyepieces.

The 2nd caution centers on:
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.

The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
keypad).  So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).

The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
You can build one for $5.
(the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
cannot be home-built)

> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
-have- to use a wobbly tripod.  That frequently makes life easier.

I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
http://www.weasner.com/etx

The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
NexStar 5se  (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
(shipping and handling can add $45 to those)

You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
think of them...

have fun
--dick

Actually, it may be a #494 - no number pad.
And I meant to put <$800

Steve

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't know very much about this stuff, so be gentle...
>
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope (better=
easier
> to setup and handle) than her current Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar
(long
> tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home.  Connecting the scope to a computer would also be
a
> plus.
>
> I'm not looking to break the bank, I just would love to upgrade
from
> the current one. It's also my humble opinion that the tripod on
the DS-
> 2114 is, well...not too sturdy, and I've already replaced both
motors
> on this one.  The power supply is also quite terrible.
>
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.
>
> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional in
moderate
> winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>
> Like I stated earlier, what I don't know about this stuff could
fill
> volumes, but I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a
clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.
> If the setup we have now is OK, and I'm just a space idiot, well
then
> just tell me that and I'll spend that money on something else.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Steve
>

If you are buying a new one, I think both the 90 PE  and the 125 PE come with
the 497 handset and the cable to hook to your computer.  At least, that is what
I gathered from the literature on the Meade site.  I could be wrong though.  If
the scope is second hand, then all bets are off.

   You can take what Autostaretx told you "to the bank."  I do not own an ETX. 
But, from what I have been told, you will not go wrong if you purchase either of
the current PE models.

   I have seen a fairly large number of the Cellestron Nextar's of different
sizes around.   The owners seem to be very satisfied with them.

   Hope this helps,

   Bill Steen

Steve Acker <ack1961@...> wrote:
           Actually, it may be a #494 - no number pad.
And I meant to put <$800

Steve

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't know very much about this stuff, so be gentle...
>
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope (better=
easier
> to setup and handle) than her current Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar
(long
> tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be
a
> plus.
>
> I'm not looking to break the bank, I just would love to upgrade
from
> the current one. It's also my humble opinion that the tripod on
the DS-
> 2114 is, well...not too sturdy, and I've already replaced both
motors
> on this one. The power supply is also quite terrible.
>
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.
>
> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional in
moderate
> winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>
> Like I stated earlier, what I don't know about this stuff could
fill
> volumes, but I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a
clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.
> If the setup we have now is OK, and I'm just a space idiot, well
then
> just tell me that and I'll spend that money on something else.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Steve
>






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+1 on the ETX-90 PE.  I have it, and after getting it set up, I now go plunk
it in the front/backyard, set it to "home position" and am aligned and
looking at objects within 5 minutes.

My only regret is not getting the 125-PE.  I have been doing more
astrophotography, and would prefer the extra mount strength of the larger
scope.  Although, I've done some decent images recently with the 90PE on
Comet Holmes.

Several scopes are out there right now on www.astromart.com that'll fit the
bill if you're looking for used to get more aperture for less $$.

Dave

On Dec 2, 2007 1:06 PM, William Steen <mistrbadgr@...> wrote:

>   If you are buying a new one, I think both the 90 PE and the 125 PE come
> with the 497 handset and the cable to hook to your computer. At least, that
> is what I gathered from the literature on the Meade site. I could be wrong
> though. If the scope is second hand, then all bets are off.
>
> You can take what Autostaretx told you "to the bank." I do not own an ETX.
> But, from what I have been told, you will not go wrong if you purchase
> either of the current PE models.
>
> I have seen a fairly large number of the Cellestron Nextar's of different
> sizes around. The owners seem to be very satisfied with them.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bill Steen
>
>
> Steve Acker <ack1961@... <ack1961%40embarqmail.com>> wrote:
> Actually, it may be a #494 - no number pad.
> And I meant to put <$800
>
> Steve
>
> --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com<Meade-Uncensored%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I don't know very much about this stuff, so be gentle...
> >
> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope (better=
> easier
> > to setup and handle) than her current Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar
> (long
> > tube).
> >
> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be
> a
> > plus.
> >
> > I'm not looking to break the bank, I just would love to upgrade
> from
> > the current one. It's also my humble opinion that the tripod on
> the DS-
> > 2114 is, well...not too sturdy, and I've already replaced both
> motors
> > on this one. The power supply is also quite terrible.
> >
> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> not
> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> > mess with that stuff.
> >
> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional in
> moderate
> > winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
> >
> > Like I stated earlier, what I don't know about this stuff could
> fill
> > volumes, but I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a
> clue if
> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
> > If the setup we have now is OK, and I'm just a space idiot, well
> then
> > just tell me that and I'll spend that money on something else.
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
- Dave


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Hey Steve

Where are you located? Would you be interested in an ETX 125?



Joerg



   _____

From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of autostaretx
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114



--- In Meade-Uncensored@ <mailto:Meade-Uncensored%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
...
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> plus.
.......
>... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.

With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)

First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
"plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.

The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
(you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
it) for the same eyepieces.

The 2nd caution centers on:
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.

The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).

The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
You can build one for $5.
(the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
cannot be home-built)

> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
-have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.

I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
http://www.weasner. <http://www.weasner.com/etx> com/etx

The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
(shipping and handling can add $45 to those)

You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
think of them...

have fun
--dick





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The blog has done been updated and it's a veritable Sears Wish Book of cool
astro gear this time!

http://uncle-rods.blogspot.com/

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
>
> Actually, it may be a #494 - no number pad.
> And I meant to put <$800

I am reminded by a thread in MeadeETXowners
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MeadeETXOwners/message/4064
..that the ETX-125AT was recently "clearanced" for $499.

You may still find "remainder" stock at dealers (but Xmas
is coming, so they'll be evaporating).

good luck
--dick

Joerg,

I live near Raleigh, NC

the ETX-125 is one I've looked at a bit I think it's a bit out of my range.
Perhaps a used one in good shape...

Steve
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Joerg
   To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:37 PM
   Subject: RE: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114


   Hey Steve

   Where are you located? Would you be interested in an ETX 125?

   Joerg

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   From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of autostaretx
   Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:44 PM
   To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114

   --- In Meade-Uncensored@ <mailto:Meade-Uncensored%40yahoogroups.com>
   yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
   wrote:
   ...
   > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
   > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
   > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
   >
   > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
   > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
   > plus.
   .......
   >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
   > it's a viable upgrade or not.

   With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
   i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
   I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)

   First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
   It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
   "plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
   and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
   the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
   I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
   The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.

   The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
   (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
   the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
   So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
   It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
   it) for the same eyepieces.

   The 2nd caution centers on:
   > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
   > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
   > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
   > mess with that stuff.

   The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
   keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
   need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).

   The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
   You can build one for $5.
   (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
   cannot be home-built)

   > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
   > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
   > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

   The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
   surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
   -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.

   I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
   You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
   the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
   http://www.weasner. <http://www.weasner.com/etx> com/etx

   The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
   I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
   NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
   running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
   Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
   (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)

   You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
   think of them...

   have fun
   --dick

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I'd second the vote for the ETX125.

autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote:          --- In
Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
...
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> plus.
.......
>... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.

With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)

First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
"plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.

The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
(you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
it) for the same eyepieces.

The 2nd caution centers on:
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.

The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).

The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
You can build one for $5.
(the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
cannot be home-built)

> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
-have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.

I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
http://www.weasner.com/etx

The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
(shipping and handling can add $45 to those)

You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
think of them...

have fun
--dick






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----
> From: autostaretx <rseymour@...>
>
  >  the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.


38%.

-John



      
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If the ETX90 gather 50% less light than the DS-2114.  How much light doesthe
ETX125 gather?  That's what I have.

WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...> wrote:          I'd second the vote for the
ETX125.

autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote: --- In
Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
...
> I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
>
> She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> plus.
.......
>... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> it's a viable upgrade or not.

With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)

First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
"plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.

The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
(you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
it) for the same eyepieces.

The 2nd caution centers on:
> Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> mess with that stuff.

The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).

The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
You can build one for $5.
(the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
cannot be home-built)

> Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.

The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
-have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.

I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
http://www.weasner.com/etx

The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
(shipping and handling can add $45 to those)

You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
think of them...

have fun
--dick

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--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, Luc Tang <ltang6611@...> wrote:
>
> If the ETX90 gather 50% less light than the DS-2114.
>  How much light doesthe ETX125 gather?  That's what I have.

It's simply the area ratio of the scope's front aperture.
My "50%" was simply comparing 114mm (squared) to 90mm (squared).
Thus 12996 to 8100, roughly 12000 to 8000, or 50% greater.
That simplistic ratio does not exactly figure the central
obstructions of the two scopes, but it's good enough for this use.

For the ETX125, 125 squared is 15625.  Thus 20% greater than
the 114mm, and just shy of twice the ETX90.

In the old days, Meade's catalogs used to provide the central
obstruction data, and we could do a more exact calculation.
As it happens, both the ETX90 and ETX125 have a 9.6% area
obstruction, so the ratios still hold between the two.

The Meade manual for the DS2114 does not provide the size
of the central obstruction... it would be the smaller diameter,
expressed as an area (Pi*d/4) as a percentage of the full 114mm
aperture.  Or simply take the secondary's smaller diameter
divided by 114, and then square that result and multiply by 100.

have fun
--dick
(yes, he did say "simply"... you could also determine the theoretical
diameter of the secondary by figuring out the light cone, but that's
a little harder)

>
> WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...> wrote:          I'd second the vote for
the ETX125.
>
> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote: --- In
Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@>
> wrote:
> ...
> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> >
> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> > plus.
> .......
> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
>
> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
>
> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
> It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.
>
> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
> So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
> it) for the same eyepieces.
>
> The 2nd caution centers on:
> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> > mess with that stuff.
>
> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).
>
> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> You can build one for $5.
> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
> cannot be home-built)
>
> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>
> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.
>
> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> http://www.weasner.com/etx
>
> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
> I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
>
> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
> think of them...
>
> have fun
> --dick

Just FYI, the central obstruction for a Meade long tube 114NT is about 1.25
inches, if you count the plastic housing.  On the short tube 2114, it is 1.5
inches as close as I can measure.

   Bill Steen

autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote:
           --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, Luc Tang <ltang6611@...>
wrote:
>
> If the ETX90 gather 50% less light than the DS-2114.
> How much light doesthe ETX125 gather? That's what I have.

It's simply the area ratio of the scope's front aperture.
My "50%" was simply comparing 114mm (squared) to 90mm (squared).
Thus 12996 to 8100, roughly 12000 to 8000, or 50% greater.
That simplistic ratio does not exactly figure the central
obstructions of the two scopes, but it's good enough for this use.

For the ETX125, 125 squared is 15625. Thus 20% greater than
the 114mm, and just shy of twice the ETX90.

In the old days, Meade's catalogs used to provide the central
obstruction data, and we could do a more exact calculation.
As it happens, both the ETX90 and ETX125 have a 9.6% area
obstruction, so the ratios still hold between the two.

The Meade manual for the DS2114 does not provide the size
of the central obstruction... it would be the smaller diameter,
expressed as an area (Pi*d/4) as a percentage of the full 114mm
aperture. Or simply take the secondary's smaller diameter
divided by 114, and then square that result and multiply by 100.

have fun
--dick
(yes, he did say "simply"... you could also determine the theoretical
diameter of the secondary by figuring out the light cone, but that's
a little harder)

>
> WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...> wrote: I'd second the vote for
the ETX125.
>
> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote: --- In
Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@>
> wrote:
> ...
> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> >
> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier to
> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also be a
> > plus.
> .......
> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
>
> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
>
> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
> It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the flow.
>
> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
> So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
> it) for the same eyepieces.
>
> The 2nd caution centers on:
> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm not
> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making special
> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want to
> > mess with that stuff.
>
> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).
>
> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> You can build one for $5.
> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
> cannot be home-built)
>
> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>
> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.
>
> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> http://www.weasner.com/etx
>
> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
> I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
>
> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
> think of them...
>
> have fun
> --dick






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First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial question.

So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing down to (please
correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that follow):

1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only be an upgrade in
    terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and portability over the DS-
    2114 long tube.  Not worth $500 as an upgrade.

2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use upgrade, but will
    offer a moderately better experience (including astro-
    photography) over the 2114.

3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90, but with auto-
    align/self homing.

4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125, but auto align/self-
    homing.

5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really don't know how/what
    to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?

I know I've simplified the attributes of the scopes on this list,
but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon on some of the web-
sites that compare these models.

What I really lack is the knowledge to understand what the more
important specs are for each scope.

Thanks again,

Steve



--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...>
wrote:
>
> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
>
> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote:          --- In Meade-
Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@>
> wrote:
> ...
> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> >
> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier
to
> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also
be a
> > plus.
> .......
> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
>
> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
>
> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
> It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the
flow.
>
> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
> So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
> it) for the same eyepieces.
>
> The 2nd caution centers on:
> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
not
> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making
special
> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want
to
> > mess with that stuff.
>
> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).
>
> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> You can build one for $5.
> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
> cannot be home-built)
>
> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>
> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.
>
> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> http://www.weasner.com/etx
>
> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
> I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
>
> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
> think of them...
>
> have fun
> --dick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked on literally hundreds of ETX
scopes,
by all means skip the PE version.  From a practical standpoint, if you invest in
the 90,
you are going to quickly get aperture fever and want something larger; they are
cute,
fun and very fine optically, but a 3" scope is never more than a 3" telescope.

Dr. Clay
-------------
Arkansas Sky Observatories
Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
http://www.arksky.org/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114


> First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial question.
>
> So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing down to (please
> correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that follow):
>
> 1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only be an upgrade in
>   terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and portability over the DS-
>   2114 long tube.  Not worth $500 as an upgrade.
>
> 2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use upgrade, but will
>   offer a moderately better experience (including astro-
>   photography) over the 2114.
>
> 3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90, but with auto-
>   align/self homing.
>
> 4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125, but auto align/self-
>   homing.
>
> 5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really don't know how/what
>   to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?
>
> I know I've simplified the attributes of the scopes on this list,
> but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon on some of the web-
> sites that compare these models.
>
> What I really lack is the knowledge to understand what the more
> important specs are for each scope.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
>>
>> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote:          --- In Meade-
> Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@>
>> wrote:
>> ...
>> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better telescope
>> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her current
>> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
>> >
>> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope that was easier
> to
>> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a computer would also
> be a
>> > plus.
>> .......
>> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't have a clue if
>> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
>>
>> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang to my mind as
>> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned it!).
>> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
>>
>> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set up, and observe.
>> It's even possible to use it without the "set up", other than
>> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the non-PE version,
>> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE version (i added
>> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
>> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the phone.
>> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation, and go with the
> flow.
>>
>> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less light than the DS-114.
>> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs more, but other than
>> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an ETX90)
>> So some objects will be dimmer at the same magnification.
>> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon will still fit in
>> it) for the same eyepieces.
>>
>> The 2nd caution centers on:
>> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> not
>> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer requires making
> special
>> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar system - I don't want
> to
>> > mess with that stuff.
>>
>> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model -with- the numeric
>> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on the keys) you'll
>> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200, depending upon source).
>>
>> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
>> You can build one for $5.
>> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required for the 494 Autostar
>> cannot be home-built)
>>
>> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600, OK?) would be
>> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and functional
>> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
>>
>> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any sturdy level
>> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means that you don't
>> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently makes life easier.
>>
>> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly wonderful scope.
>> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments about it and
>> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
>> http://www.weasner.com/etx
>>
>> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good candidates.
>> I've never played with one, but a friend recently got a
>> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100 rebate offer
>> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
>> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
>> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
>>
>> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see what the crowds
>> think of them...
>>
>> have fun
>> --dick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Compare the Celestron to the 125AT. My vote goes here.
Meade is not doing very well financially and there
customer service proves it.
I own three Meade scopes but have been checking out
the Celestron brand and quality and I am impressed.
Especially with the SE and Advanced series they now
offer.
Jerry in Arizona


--- "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...> wrote:

> From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked
> on literally hundreds of ETX scopes,
> by all means skip the PE version.  From a practical
> standpoint, if you invest in the 90,
> you are going to quickly get aperture fever and want
> something larger; they are cute,
> fun and very fine optically, but a 3" scope is never
> more than a 3" telescope.
>
> Dr. Clay
> -------------
> Arkansas Sky Observatories
> Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
> Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
> Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
> http://www.arksky.org/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
> To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:23 AM
> Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my
> wife's DS-2114
>
>
> > First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial
> question.
> >
> > So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing
> down to (please
> > correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that
> follow):
> >
> > 1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only
> be an upgrade in
> >   terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and
> portability over the DS-
> >   2114 long tube.  Not worth $500 as an upgrade.
> >
> > 2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use
> upgrade, but will
> >   offer a moderately better experience (including
> astro-
> >   photography) over the 2114.
> >
> > 3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90,
> but with auto-
> >   align/self homing.
> >
> > 4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125,
> but auto align/self-
> >   homing.
> >
> > 5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really
> don't know how/what
> >   to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?
> >
> > I know I've simplified the attributes of the
> scopes on this list,
> > but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon
> on some of the web-
> > sites that compare these models.
> >
> > What I really lack is the knowledge to understand
> what the more
> > important specs are for each scope.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com,
> WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
> >>
> >> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote:          --- In
> Meade-
> > Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker"
> <ack1961@>
> >> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better
> telescope
> >> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her
> current
> >> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> >> >
> >> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope
> that was easier
> > to
> >> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a
> computer would also
> > be a
> >> > plus.
> >> .......
> >> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't
> have a clue if
> >> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
> >>
> >> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang
> to my mind as
> >> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned
> it!).
> >> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
> >>
> >> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set
> up, and observe.
> >> It's even possible to use it without the "set
> up", other than
> >> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the
> non-PE version,
> >> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE
> version (i added
> >> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> >> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the
> phone.
> >> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation,
> and go with the
> > flow.
> >>
> >> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less
> light than the DS-114.
> >> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs
> more, but other than
> >> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an
> ETX90)
> >> So some objects will be dimmer at the same
> magnification.
> >> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon
> will still fit in
> >> it) for the same eyepieces.
> >>
> >> The 2nd caution centers on:
> >> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the
> DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> > not
> >> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer
> requires making
> > special
> >> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar
> system - I don't want
> > to
> >> > mess with that stuff.
> >>
> >> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model
> -with- the numeric
> >> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on
> the keys) you'll
> >> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200,
> depending upon source).
> >>
> >> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> >> You can build one for $5.
> >> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required
> for the 494 Autostar
> >> cannot be home-built)
> >>
> >> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600,
> OK?) would be
> >> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and
> functional
> >> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
> >>
> >> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any
> sturdy level
> >> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means
> that you don't
> >> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently
> makes life easier.
> >>
> >> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly
> wonderful scope.
> >> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments
> about it and
> >> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> >> http://www.weasner.com/etx
> >>
> >> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good
> candidates.
> >> I've never played with one, but a friend recently
> got a
> >> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100
> rebate offer
> >> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> >> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> >> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
> >>
> >> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see
> what the crowds
> >> think of them...
> >>
> >> have fun
> >> --dick
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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OK, I've got my finger on the trigger for:

- Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 after rebate)
- AC Power Adapter/flashlight/fish-finder/bottle-opener thing ($60)
- A set of lenses and filters in a case ($130)
Roughly $900 - about $400 more than I wanted to spend...I was also
surprised that this thing only comes with a single lens (25mm).

I was online at a place called OpticsPlanet.com - anyone have any
experience with these guys?  The aforementioned order is sitting in
my cart waiting for me to press "OK".

Also, am I forgetting any essentials?

My goodness, you guys have an expensive hobby/lifestyle!

Any other suggestions/concerns before I go in debt?

Thanks again,

Steve

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <crazyj1251@...>
wrote:
>
> Compare the Celestron to the 125AT. My vote goes here.
> Meade is not doing very well financially and there
> customer service proves it.
> I own three Meade scopes but have been checking out
> the Celestron brand and quality and I am impressed.
> Especially with the SE and Advanced series they now
> offer.
> Jerry in Arizona
>
>
> --- "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...> wrote:
>
> > From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked
> > on literally hundreds of ETX scopes,
> > by all means skip the PE version.  From a practical
> > standpoint, if you invest in the 90,
> > you are going to quickly get aperture fever and want
> > something larger; they are cute,
> > fun and very fine optically, but a 3" scope is never
> > more than a 3" telescope.
> >
> > Dr. Clay
> > -------------
> > Arkansas Sky Observatories
> > Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
> > Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
> > Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
> > http://www.arksky.org/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
> > To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:23 AM
> > Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my
> > wife's DS-2114
> >
> >
> > > First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial
> > question.
> > >
> > > So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing
> > down to (please
> > > correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that
> > follow):
> > >
> > > 1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only
> > be an upgrade in
> > >   terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and
> > portability over the DS-
> > >   2114 long tube.  Not worth $500 as an upgrade.
> > >
> > > 2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use
> > upgrade, but will
> > >   offer a moderately better experience (including
> > astro-
> > >   photography) over the 2114.
> > >
> > > 3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90,
> > but with auto-
> > >   align/self homing.
> > >
> > > 4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125,
> > but auto align/self-
> > >   homing.
> > >
> > > 5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really
> > don't know how/what
> > >   to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?
> > >
> > > I know I've simplified the attributes of the
> > scopes on this list,
> > > but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon
> > on some of the web-
> > > sites that compare these models.
> > >
> > > What I really lack is the knowledge to understand
> > what the more
> > > important specs are for each scope.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com,
> > WarpedCorp <warpcorp@>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
> > >>
> > >> autostaretx <rseymour@> wrote:          --- In
> > Meade-
> > > Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker"
> > <ack1961@>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better
> > telescope
> > >> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her
> > current
> > >> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> > >> >
> > >> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope
> > that was easier
> > > to
> > >> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a
> > computer would also
> > > be a
> > >> > plus.
> > >> .......
> > >> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't
> > have a clue if
> > >> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
> > >>
> > >> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang
> > to my mind as
> > >> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned
> > it!).
> > >> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
> > >>
> > >> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set
> > up, and observe.
> > >> It's even possible to use it without the "set
> > up", other than
> > >> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the
> > non-PE version,
> > >> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE
> > version (i added
> > >> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> > >> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the
> > phone.
> > >> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation,
> > and go with the
> > > flow.
> > >>
> > >> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less
> > light than the DS-114.
> > >> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs
> > more, but other than
> > >> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an
> > ETX90)
> > >> So some objects will be dimmer at the same
> > magnification.
> > >> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon
> > will still fit in
> > >> it) for the same eyepieces.
> > >>
> > >> The 2nd caution centers on:
> > >> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the
> > DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> > > not
> > >> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer
> > requires making
> > > special
> > >> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar
> > system - I don't want
> > > to
> > >> > mess with that stuff.
> > >>
> > >> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model
> > -with- the numeric
> > >> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on
> > the keys) you'll
> > >> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200,
> > depending upon source).
> > >>
> > >> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> > >> You can build one for $5.
> > >> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required
> > for the 494 Autostar
> > >> cannot be home-built)
> > >>
> > >> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600,
> > OK?) would be
> > >> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and
> > functional
> > >> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
> > >>
> > >> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any
> > sturdy level
> > >> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means
> > that you don't
> > >> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently
> > makes life easier.
> > >>
> > >> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly
> > wonderful scope.
> > >> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments
> > about it and
> > >> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> > >> http://www.weasner.com/etx
> > >>
> > >> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good
> > candidates.
> > >> I've never played with one, but a friend recently
> > got a
> > >> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100
> > rebate offer
> > >> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> > >> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> > >> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
> > >>
> > >> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see
> > what the crowds
> > >> think of them...
> > >>
> > >> have fun
> > >> --dick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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>
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--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
wrote:
>
> OK, I've got my finger on the trigger for:
>
> - Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 after rebate)
> - AC Power Adapter/flashlight/fish-finder/bottle-opener thing ($60)
> - A set of lenses and filters in a case ($130)
> Roughly $900 - about $400 more than I wanted to spend...I was also
> surprised that this thing only comes with a single lens (25mm).

I'd skip the $130 eyepiece and filter kit.

Instead, buy a 2x Barlow and an 8mm Televue (or other decent
quality brand, such as Meade 5000 series)(i don't know the
equivalent Celestron model numbers).  This may still hit $130.

The Barlow will make your 25mm into a 12.5, and the 8 into a 4.
Which pretty much spans the useful eyepiece range.

The kits are usually a lower-quality eyepiece family (i have
a Celestron kit, *which may not be the same as yours*, and it's
below the Meade 4000 quality).

For plop-and-view, i rate the ETX125 as easier than the Celestron
(i think the Celestron -requires- its tripod... i really like the
on-a-table capability of the ETX).
I've never used the Celestron, but i quite admire their "3 star
alignment" technique (yes, it'll accept planets, too).

have fun
--dick

If you follow the celestron groups - you will see almost the same volume of
complaints and trouble as you see in the Meade groups.  Having said that, while
the Celestron Nexstar goto system is "nice" it is NO WAY NEAR as robust,
friendly and flexible as the Meade AutoStar.  I would vote heavily for an ETX125
or even a DSX125 if you can find one.  I have a DSX 90 which I picked up new off
of ebay for under $200.00 and a DSX125 which I got new for under $400.00.  The
DSX OTA's are the same as the ETX series except they are silver in color rather
than blue.  The mount is a one arm mount instead of the ETX mount, but with a
good setup, it tracks and go-to's very well.  I don't think either the DSX or
ETX would be considered a "capable" photo platform although some people may have
had luck with them.  I use them as a grab and go scope and the views through the
125mm OTA are very very very good... tack sharp - no false color and will take
maginification very well.

   Warp

Jerry <crazyj1251@...> wrote:
           Compare the Celestron to the 125AT. My vote goes here.
Meade is not doing very well financially and there
customer service proves it.
I own three Meade scopes but have been checking out
the Celestron brand and quality and I am impressed.
Especially with the SE and Advanced series they now
offer.
Jerry in Arizona

--- "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...> wrote:

> From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked
> on literally hundreds of ETX scopes,
> by all means skip the PE version. From a practical
> standpoint, if you invest in the 90,
> you are going to quickly get aperture fever and want
> something larger; they are cute,
> fun and very fine optically, but a 3" scope is never
> more than a 3" telescope.
>
> Dr. Clay
> -------------
> Arkansas Sky Observatories
> Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
> Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
> Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
> http://www.arksky.org/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
> To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:23 AM
> Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my
> wife's DS-2114
>
>
> > First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial
> question.
> >
> > So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing
> down to (please
> > correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that
> follow):
> >
> > 1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only
> be an upgrade in
> > terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and
> portability over the DS-
> > 2114 long tube. Not worth $500 as an upgrade.
> >
> > 2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use
> upgrade, but will
> > offer a moderately better experience (including
> astro-
> > photography) over the 2114.
> >
> > 3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90,
> but with auto-
> > align/self homing.
> >
> > 4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125,
> but auto align/self-
> > homing.
> >
> > 5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really
> don't know how/what
> > to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?
> >
> > I know I've simplified the attributes of the
> scopes on this list,
> > but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon
> on some of the web-
> > sites that compare these models.
> >
> > What I really lack is the knowledge to understand
> what the more
> > important specs are for each scope.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com,
> WarpedCorp <warpcorp@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
> >>
> >> autostaretx <rseymour@...> wrote: --- In
> Meade-
> > Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker"
> <ack1961@>
> >> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better
> telescope
> >> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her
> current
> >> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> >> >
> >> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope
> that was easier
> > to
> >> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a
> computer would also
> > be a
> >> > plus.
> >> .......
> >> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't
> have a clue if
> >> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
> >>
> >> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang
> to my mind as
> >> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned
> it!).
> >> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
> >>
> >> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set
> up, and observe.
> >> It's even possible to use it without the "set
> up", other than
> >> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the
> non-PE version,
> >> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE
> version (i added
> >> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> >> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the
> phone.
> >> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation,
> and go with the
> > flow.
> >>
> >> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less
> light than the DS-114.
> >> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs
> more, but other than
> >> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an
> ETX90)
> >> So some objects will be dimmer at the same
> magnification.
> >> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon
> will still fit in
> >> it) for the same eyepieces.
> >>
> >> The 2nd caution centers on:
> >> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the
> DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> > not
> >> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer
> requires making
> > special
> >> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar
> system - I don't want
> > to
> >> > mess with that stuff.
> >>
> >> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model
> -with- the numeric
> >> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on
> the keys) you'll
> >> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200,
> depending upon source).
> >>
> >> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> >> You can build one for $5.
> >> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required
> for the 494 Autostar
> >> cannot be home-built)
> >>
> >> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600,
> OK?) would be
> >> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and
> functional
> >> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
> >>
> >> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any
> sturdy level
> >> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means
> that you don't
> >> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently
> makes life easier.
> >>
> >> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly
> wonderful scope.
> >> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments
> about it and
> >> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> >> http://www.weasner.com/etx
> >>
> >> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good
> candidates.
> >> I've never played with one, but a friend recently
> got a
> >> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100
> rebate offer
> >> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> >> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> >> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
> >>
> >> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see
> what the crowds
> >> think of them...
> >>
> >> have fun
> >> --dick
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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Just remember.... no matter what you buy... aperture fever and the desire for
other capabilities will take hold and grow - this is only the beginning. 
However, by doing it right now, you can hold off these desires to upgrade a bit
longer.

   I also like using my DSX 125 with my bino viewers - spectacular views of
planets and Orion Nebulae and brighter clusters.  You might also want to
consider an electric focuser - makes for easy hands free - no giggle focusing on
those cold nights when you have gloves on.

   And with either of these scopes - if you or she graduate into bigger and
better mounts and want to venture into autoguiding for photography - the 90 and
125 make great compact guide scopes when teamed up with at DSI and piggy backed
on your main scope.  So they are dual purpose.

   Hope this helps... and Happy Holidays!

   Warp

Steve Acker <ack1961@...> wrote:
           OK, I've got my finger on the trigger for:

- Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 after rebate)
- AC Power Adapter/flashlight/fish-finder/bottle-opener thing ($60)
- A set of lenses and filters in a case ($130)
Roughly $900 - about $400 more than I wanted to spend...I was also
surprised that this thing only comes with a single lens (25mm).

I was online at a place called OpticsPlanet.com - anyone have any
experience with these guys? The aforementioned order is sitting in
my cart waiting for me to press "OK".

Also, am I forgetting any essentials?

My goodness, you guys have an expensive hobby/lifestyle!

Any other suggestions/concerns before I go in debt?

Thanks again,

Steve

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <crazyj1251@...>
wrote:
>
> Compare the Celestron to the 125AT. My vote goes here.
> Meade is not doing very well financially and there
> customer service proves it.
> I own three Meade scopes but have been checking out
> the Celestron brand and quality and I am impressed.
> Especially with the SE and Advanced series they now
> offer.
> Jerry in Arizona
>
>
> --- "P. Clay Sherrod" <drclay@...> wrote:
>
> > From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked
> > on literally hundreds of ETX scopes,
> > by all means skip the PE version. From a practical
> > standpoint, if you invest in the 90,
> > you are going to quickly get aperture fever and want
> > something larger; they are cute,
> > fun and very fine optically, but a 3" scope is never
> > more than a 3" telescope.
> >
> > Dr. Clay
> > -------------
> > Arkansas Sky Observatories
> > Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
> > Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
> > Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
> > http://www.arksky.org/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Acker" <ack1961@...>
> > To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:23 AM
> > Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my
> > wife's DS-2114
> >
> >
> > > First off, Thanks to all who replied to my initial
> > question.
> > >
> > > So, I think my realistic choices are narrowing
> > down to (please
> > > correct any mistakes are wrong assumptions that
> > follow):
> > >
> > > 1. Meade ETX-90 AT ($500 new) - which would only
> > be an upgrade in
> > > terms of ease of use (Autostar #497) and
> > portability over the DS-
> > > 2114 long tube. Not worth $500 as an upgrade.
> > >
> > > 2. Meade ETX-125 AT ($775 new) - same ease of use
> > upgrade, but will
> > > offer a moderately better experience (including
> > astro-
> > > photography) over the 2114.
> > >
> > > 3. Meade ETX-90 PE ($700 new) - same as ETX-90,
> > but with auto-
> > > align/self homing.
> > >
> > > 4. Meade ETX-125 PE ($1k new) - same as ETX-125,
> > but auto align/self-
> > > homing.
> > >
> > > 5. Celestron NexStar 5SE ($700 new) - I really
> > don't know how/what
> > > to compare this scope to...posbily ETX-90 PE?
> > >
> > > I know I've simplified the attributes of the
> > scopes on this list,
> > > but I guess I'm confused by all the astro-jargon
> > on some of the web-
> > > sites that compare these models.
> > >
> > > What I really lack is the knowledge to understand
> > what the more
> > > important specs are for each scope.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com,
> > WarpedCorp <warpcorp@>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd second the vote for the ETX125.
> > >>
> > >> autostaretx <rseymour@> wrote: --- In
> > Meade-
> > > Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Acker"
> > <ack1961@>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >> > I'm thinking about getting my wife a better
> > telescope
> > >> > (better= easier to setup and handle) than her
> > current
> > >> > Meade DS-2114 w/ Autostar (long tube).
> > >> >
> > >> > She'd certainly get out more if she had a scope
> > that was easier
> > > to
> > >> > handle and home. Connecting the scope to a
> > computer would also
> > > be a
> > >> > plus.
> > >> .......
> > >> >... I have an eye on the ETX-90EC, but I don't
> > have a clue if
> > >> > it's a viable upgrade or not.
> > >>
> > >> With only two cautions, the ETX90 is what sprang
> > to my mind as
> > >> i was reading your note (and then you mentioned
> > it!).
> > >> I'm biased: i have one. (and an LX200gps)
> > >>
> > >> First, i consider it -very- simple to grab, set
> > up, and observe.
> > >> It's even possible to use it without the "set
> > up", other than
> > >> "plop on level table, point north". (i have the
> > non-PE version,
> > >> and it's faster to "set up" that than the -PE
> > version (i added
> > >> the PE's LNT module to mine to see how it went).
> > >> I've walked people through ETX70 "set ups" on the
> > phone.
> > >> The trick is to not -obsess- about the operation,
> > and go with the
> > > flow.
> > >>
> > >> The cautions are: the ETX90 gathers 50% less
> > light than the DS-114.
> > >> (you -might- consider the ETX125... it costs
> > more, but other than
> > >> the increased weight, it's as convenient as an
> > ETX90)
> > >> So some objects will be dimmer at the same
> > magnification.
> > >> It also has a narrower field of view (the moon
> > will still fit in
> > >> it) for the same eyepieces.
> > >>
> > >> The 2nd caution centers on:
> > >> > Also, I read somewhere that to connect the
> > DS-2114 Autostar (I'm
> > > not
> > >> > sure if it's a #496 or #497) to a computer
> > requires making
> > > special
> > >> > cables and can cause harm to the Autostar
> > system - I don't want
> > > to
> > >> > mess with that stuff.
> > >>
> > >> The ETX90 requires a 497 Autostar (the model
> > -with- the numeric
> > >> keypad). So if you have the 494 (no numbers on
> > the keys) you'll
> > >> need to replace it, too (for $99 to $200,
> > depending upon source).
> > >>
> > >> The 505 cable for the 497 can be bought for $20.
> > >> You can build one for $5.
> > >> (the special ~$50 506 cable/converter required
> > for the 494 Autostar
> > >> cannot be home-built)
> > >>
> > >> > Any suggestions (let's try to keep it <$600,
> > OK?) would be
> > >> > appreciated. Something sturdy, easy to use and
> > functional
> > >> > in moderate winter climate (NC) would be ideal.
> > >>
> > >> The ability to place the ETX90 (or ETX125) on any
> > sturdy level
> > >> surface (i use picnic tables when camping) means
> > that you don't
> > >> -have- to use a wobbly tripod. That frequently
> > makes life easier.
> > >>
> > >> I consider the ETX90 to have been a truly
> > wonderful scope.
> > >> You can visit Mike Weasner's site to see comments
> > about it and
> > >> the rest of the Meade small telescope line.
> > >> http://www.weasner.com/etx
> > >>
> > >> The same-price-range Celestrons are also good
> > candidates.
> > >> I've never played with one, but a friend recently
> > got a
> > >> NexStar 5se (currently $699 including a $100
> > rebate offer
> > >> running until 12/31) and he's quite happy.
> > >> Their 4" (105mm) is only $499 with the rebate.
> > >> (shipping and handling can add $45 to those)
> > >>
> > >> You might go prowl the Celestron groups to see
> > what the crowds
> > >> think of them...
> > >>
> > >> have fun
> > >> --dick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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Come now, Warp. They are extremely similar systems, feature for feature, and
while I love Meade gear and my Meade gear, there is no denying they've had
the lion's share of QA issues lately--and that's even more evident in the
lower priced scope arena.

;-)

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>


-----Original Message-----
From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WarpedCorp
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:34 AM
To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114

If you follow the celestron groups - you will see almost the same volume of
complaints and trouble as you see in the Meade groups.  Having said that,
while the Celestron Nexstar goto system is "nice" it is NO WAY NEAR as
robust, friendly and flexible as the Meade AutoStar.

Hi Doc:

What is the drawback to the PE? I've had one for a while now, a 125, and
have had nothing but good luck with it despite rather heavy and frequent
use.

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>


-----Original Message-----
From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P. Clay Sherrod
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:27 AM
To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114

From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked on literally hundreds of
ETX scopes, by all means skip the PE version.  From a practical standpoint,
if you invest in the 90, you are going to quickly get aperture fever and
want something larger; they are cute, fun and very fine optically, but a 3"
scope is never more than a 3" telescope.

Probably seems contradictory, but the performance of the beefy metaled-up PE
version of
the ETX is very poor compared to earlier models.  Optically probably superior,
but
mechanically, there are some major recurring design issues.  I suppose that my
thoughts
on this are centered on the fact that the extra investment over the UHTC version
is
simply not that justified.  I see more problems with the PE editions of the ETX
than any
of the earlier scopes.

Dr. Clay
-------------
Arkansas Sky Observatories
Harvard MPC/ H43 (Conway)
Harvard MPC/ H41 (Petit Jean Mountain)
Harvard MPC/ H45 (Petit Jean Mtn. South)
http://www.arksky.org/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Mollise" <rmollise@...>
To: <Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114


> Hi Doc:
>
> What is the drawback to the PE? I've had one for a while now, a 125, and
> have had nothing but good luck with it despite rather heavy and frequent
> use.
>
> Peace,
> Rod Mollise
> Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
> The Urban Astronomer's Guide
> <http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of P. Clay Sherrod
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:27 AM
> To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114
>
>>From the standpoint that I have seen and/or worked on literally hundreds of
> ETX scopes, by all means skip the PE version.  From a practical standpoint,
> if you invest in the 90, you are going to quickly get aperture fever and
> want something larger; they are cute, fun and very fine optically, but a 3"
> scope is never more than a 3" telescope.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I was going to treat myself this Christmas and buy the above scope.....
but with all this bad talk about Meade in the press and on forums its
starting to make me wonder if I should?

Whats the truth of the matter and should I be worried about my 2 year
warranty being worthless?

The truth of the matter is that _no one knows_ what will happen with Meade.
That includes the higher ups at Meade AFAIK. Much, I would guess, hinges on
the outcome of holiday sales. Whatever happens to them, it is VERY
unlikely--though not, of course, impossible--that that would leave Meade
owners high and dry support-wise. If I had made my mind up on an R, assuming
I had a good dealer to rely on in the case that I got a DOA scope, I would
not hesitate.

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>


-----Original Message-----
From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Giulio Manganoni
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MeadeUncensored] Thinking about buying a LX200R 10" in the UK

I was going to treat myself this Christmas and buy the above scope.....
but with all this bad talk about Meade in the press and on forums its
starting to make me wonder if I should?

Whats the truth of the matter and should I be worried about my 2 year
warranty being worthless?




Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "Giulio Manganoni"
<giuliog@...> wrote:
>
> I was going to treat myself this Christmas and buy the above
> scope.....
> but with all this bad talk about Meade in the press and on forums
> its starting to make me wonder if I should?
>
> Whats the truth of the matter and should I be worried about my
> 2 year  warranty being worthless?

First, since you're in the UK, your warranty will be handled by
(i think) Telescope House or the distributor (BC&F? i forget the
acronym).   So the quality of their technicians will be more
germane, and the European branch of Meade is somewhat separated
from the US division's woes (they're even trying to handle them
as separate companies, and recent 8C Securities and Exchange filings
describe some of that).

Even here in the US, -i'd- still buy an LX200R, since they're
relatively robust and the Autostar is something i understand
fairly well. 95% of the computer components are standard parts,
so self (or decent electronics shop) repair is feasible for most
of the issues people hit.  Production of the LX200R (up to 12")
has already moved to Mexico, so there's less chance of disruption
at this time.

have fun
--dick

--- In Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com, "autostaretx" <rseymour@...>
wrote:

> Even here in the US, -i'd- still buy an LX200R, since they're
> relatively robust and the Autostar is something i understand
> fairly well. 95% of the computer components are standard parts,
> so self (or decent electronics shop) repair is feasible for most
> of the issues people hit.  Production of the LX200R (up to 12")
> has already moved to Mexico, so there's less chance of disruption
> at this time.

<gloat mode on>
Heh heh heh... Last week, I got one of the last 12" LX200R OTAs made
in the USA. Dated late October.
<gloat mode off>

I don't want to be part of the learning curve as the Mexican plant
teaches itself how to make precision optics.

Pete

Hi all,

Anyone have any experience with the noted adapter and an older (only
several years ago) DS-80 with 497 Autostar?  Is it worth the $50 or is
there really a better option out there?

I'd either like to figure out a better longer-lasting battery solution
(anyone figure out how to hook up some lantern batteries!?!?) or a
decent AC solution and this appears to be what I need for a ready-made
fix.

Not sure if I can just pick up a universal adapter from Radio Shack
with the appropriate plug (they seem not to have an adapter with
several plugs, you have to know which plug you want these days and buy
that separately) and have that work.

Anyone have any thoughts?  I'm tired of buying $10 worth of batteries
every few days during good viewing months.

Thanks,

Kevin

Q&A is one issue and both companies have it... but the AutoStar is still (for
most people) an easier to use and more capable system.

Rod Mollise <rmollise@...> wrote:          Come now, Warp. They are
extremely similar systems, feature for feature, and
while I love Meade gear and my Meade gear, there is no denying they've had
the lion's share of QA issues lately--and that's even more evident in the
lower priced scope arena.

;-)

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope...and...
The Urban Astronomer's Guide
<http://skywatch.brainiac.com/astroland>


-----Original Message-----
From: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of WarpedCorp
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 11:34 AM
To: Meade-Uncensored@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MeadeUncensored] Re: want to upgrade my wife's DS-2114

If you follow the celestron groups - you will see almost the same volume of
complaints and trouble as you see in the Meade groups. Having said that,
while the Celestron Nexstar goto system is "nice" it is NO WAY NEAR as
robust, friendly and flexible as the Meade AutoStar.






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