Before we get into what a precursor is, I would suggest that we discuss for a moment the circumstances in which things labeled as “precursors” are...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 1, 2011 12:51 pm
Andy, Thanks ever so much for weighing in on this one. Would you be so kind as to give some real life examples of the two dysfunctional approaches to...
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Sam Hobbs
samhho
Mar 1, 2011 1:32 pm
Dr. Bill, Why do you refer to the paper as a “somewhat” dated view? Introductory or preliminary perhaps, but not necessarily “dated.” Sam From:...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 1, 2011 1:38 pm
Sam, Thanks. There are more precursor types in "The Rootician's Dictionary." Take care, Bill Corcoran Mission: Saving lives, pain, assets, and careers through...
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Michael Mulligan
steamshovel2002
Mar 1, 2011 3:53 pm
Hmm, how do you weight the risk of the results of action and inaction? I can think of a host of cascade accidents...TMI being one of our "tiny" examples....
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Mitchell, Glen
pxeng1
Mar 1, 2011 6:24 pm
Aren’t we really looking in hindsight even in the preemptive mode? It seems to me the precursors “forecasted” in even a new process/design are only...
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Mitchell, Glen
pxeng1
Mar 1, 2011 6:24 pm
We could call them CATS- Conditions Adverse to Safety- or PUCs Potentially Unsafe Conditions ☺ glen 806-477-4953 From:...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 2, 2011 3:11 pm
Glen, You said: ________________________________ We could call them CATS- Conditions Adverse to Safety- or PUCs Potentially Unsafe Conditions ...
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Salot, William
wjsalot
Mar 2, 2011 5:48 pm
They are PP's: potential precursors ________________________________ From: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com ...
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Dillard, Tedd A (E S ...
tedd.dillard@...
Mar 2, 2011 6:08 pm
It seems to me that the use of the word precursor is so dependent on the understanding of the listener that it is unhelpful to have so many different...
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Michael Mulligan
steamshovel2002
Mar 2, 2011 9:14 pm
potential precursors Why isn't their a value judgment on it like a class 1, 2, or 3 potential precursors...like the consequences could be $1000, $10...
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Mitchell, Glen
pxeng1
Mar 3, 2011 12:52 pm
My tongue was actually in my cheek with those suggestions. I was just taken with multiple definitions and types and etc. Question: When we do a process...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 3, 2011 2:11 pm
What could be simpler than the concept of "direct factors?" A factor is just something that affects an effect. Right? And a direct factor is just a factor that...
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Noga, Scott T
rebus3
Mar 3, 2011 4:56 pm
Dr. Bill, Good write-up. Two thoughts come to mind: 1) There are always intervening intermediate (rather redundant terms) factors. Cause and effect can...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 4, 2011 2:43 pm
What should be fixed as a result on an issue investigation? 1. Fix the problems 2. Fix the processes that produced the problems. 3. Fix the processes that...
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Dillard, Tedd A (E S ...
tedd.dillard@...
Mar 4, 2011 3:27 pm
In an ideal world all 5 would be addressed, effectively. In the real world in most cases only number 1 is usually even worked on and that only superficially. ...
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Mitchell, Glen
pxeng1
Mar 4, 2011 5:41 pm
We attempt to identify the significance of the event and address each issue on a published "graded approach." We are somewhat successful at doing that, but all...
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Arsenault, Gerry
aarsenau1g
Mar 4, 2011 6:34 pm
UNRESTRICTED | ILLIMITÉ Dr Bill, I had to send this to you. Last Monday, Feb 28th, I saw a general surgeon on a referral from my family physician. That was my...
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Dillard, Tedd A (E S ...
tedd.dillard@...
Mar 4, 2011 6:54 pm
Very interesting, I wonder what would have happened if the other guy had been there for very similar work. Since it was a small hospital it would seem to be...
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Michael Mulligan
steamshovel2002
Mar 4, 2011 8:04 pm
A year ago I was in the hospital for a herniated disc operation (Dartmouth Hitchcock). I don't have any back aches now and i have recovered the full use of my...
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Lee, Ron
w.ronlee
Mar 4, 2011 8:21 pm
Michael – I am curious, besides surgery, what did you do to recover full use of your foot? Ron From: Root_Cause_State_of_the_Practice@yahoogroups.com...
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nancy.roper@...
Mar 5, 2011 12:14 am
I will be out of the office starting 03/04/2011 and will not return until 03/14/2011. I will respond to your message when I return. If you need immediate ...
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Michael Mulligan
steamshovel2002
Mar 5, 2011 10:31 am
Ron, Everyone accuses me of being a bit of a odd ball... Well, once out of the operating room I didn't use any pain meds. It is not as hard as it sounds for...
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DR WILLIAM CORCORAN
drbillcorcoran
Mar 5, 2011 12:13 pm
Joe, Thanks for the great pictures. How did you come to the opinion that unions have been effective in improving safety? Are unionized activities safer than...
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Dr. Bill Corcoran
drbillcorcoran
Mar 5, 2011 12:54 pm
Joe, Thanks. What's wrong with that picture? Who's running the shipyard? Who acts as if they are accountable for safety? Take care, Bill Corcoran Mission:...
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Noga, Scott T
rebus3
Mar 7, 2011 4:15 pm
What should be done: Identify and fix all of them that make business sense to implement primarily from a cost/benefit standpoint (not limited to just direct...
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Lee, Ron
w.ronlee
Mar 7, 2011 5:12 pm
Mike Over the course of 16 years I have had 3 Low back herniated disc surgery’s. I don’t have foot drop, but I do have numb toes – I am not diabetic so...
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Sam Hobbs
samhho
Mar 8, 2011 1:34 am
I got this email from a friend. Name changed to protect the innocent and/or guilty and/or the inappropriately uninvolved: "Update on my friend JANE DOE: She...
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Sam Hobbs
samhho
Mar 8, 2011 2:08 am
Surgery was a hip replacement. Getting up early is likely a good thing. Other things weren’t. Anyone else want to weigh in? Sam From:...
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J. Brandon
jhbrandus
Mar 8, 2011 6:11 am
Sam, I don’t know what would be helpful to you, but I had a wide variety of experiences over the last five months that my mother lived. She was being...
