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#2 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 7:32 pm
Subject: Wood Gas As Engine Fuel
larencorie
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I will be posting a series of informative links.
  This is an online book:

  http://www.fao.org/docrep/t0512e/T0512e00.htm#Contents

  -Laren Corie-

#3 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:25 pm
Subject: CONSTRUCTION OF A SIMPLIFIED WOOD GAS GENERATOR FOR FUELING INTERNAL COMIBUSTION ENGINES IN A PETROLEUM EMERGENCY
larencorie
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CONSTRUCTION OF A SIMPLIFIED WOOD GAS GENERATOR FOR FUELING INTERNAL
COMIBUSTION ENGINES IN A PETROLEUM EMERGENCY
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/1.shtml

#4 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:33 pm
Subject: The making of the Källe-gasifier
larencorie
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#5 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:36 pm
Subject: 55 Gallon Drum Gasifier
larencorie
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#6 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:40 pm
Subject: THE GAS PRODUCER - SCIENCE AND CONSTRUCTION
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#7 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:42 pm
Subject: Alternatives To Fossil Fueled Engine/Generators
larencorie
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Alternatives To Fossil Fueled Engine/Generators

http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/woodgas.pdf

#8 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:45 pm
Subject: History of WoodGas
larencorie
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#9 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:47 pm
Subject: WOODGAS POWERED VW'S AND OTHER VEHICLES
larencorie
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WOODGAS POWERED VW'S AND OTHER VEHICLES

http://www2.whidbey.net/lighthook/woodgas.htm

#10 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:55 pm
Subject: STOVES
larencorie
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#11 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Mon May 3, 2004 8:58 pm
Subject: Producer Gas For Motor Vehicles
larencorie
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#12 From: "rlvanadestine" <rlvanadestine@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2004 1:31 am
Subject: Re: STOVES
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--- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
> STOVES
This is the best site going and it will get better, I am so happy to
have found this site and the info that it contains and the future it
has. Bob .
>
> http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Stoves.html

#13 From: "john killen" <akillen@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2004 10:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
hardway909
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what is the difference ( for heating purposes) between burning the wood in a  conventional stove and creating and burning the woodgas????>  John K
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:31 PM
Subject: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES

--- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
> STOVES
This is the best site going and it will get better, I am so happy to
have found this site and the info that it contains and the future it
has. Bob .
>
> http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Stoves.html


#14 From: "Marg_G" <marg_g2000@...>
Date: Tue May 4, 2004 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
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I read some of the page below, and I am wondering, it appears these stove
make charcoal?  Is this the same as what is used in carbon filters to purify
water?  Does anyone know what is it that makes the difference between carbon
and activated carbon?  Can the charcoal from these stoves be treated to
become activated carbon?  Can it then be used to filter drinking water?

Any thoughts would be appreciated, I am continuing to read about the wood
gas stoves and educate myself.

Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: "john killen" <akillen@...>
To: <WoodGas@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES


what is the difference ( for heating purposes) between burning the wood in a
conventional stove and creating and burning the woodgas????>  John K
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: rlvanadestine
   To: WoodGas@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:31 PM
   Subject: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES


   --- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
   > STOVES
   This is the best site going and it will get better, I am so happy to
   have found this site and the info that it contains and the future it
   has. Bob .
   >
   > http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Stoves.html



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#15 From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <ecogenics3@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 12:01 am
Subject: Re: Wood Gas As Engine Fuel
ecogenics3
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-
  Im glad to see this list thanks laren for setting it up. Im busy
right now making biodiesel but ive got my gasifier out of the bone
yard and ready to work on.. as i take it apart ill take detailed pix
of the internal workings and post them  .. also you can see various
examples of gasifiers on my website www dabney.com/ecogenics/
especiaslly a  skid mounted 10kw generator-crop dryer. ill post those
pix soon!!
  Marc....








-- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
>  I will be posting a series of informative links.
>  This is an online book:
>
>  http://www.fao.org/docrep/t0512e/T0512e00.htm#Contents
>
>  -Laren Corie-

#16 From: "john killen" <akillen@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 12:35 am
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
hardway909
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Activated carbon has a VERY LARGE surface area in comparison to charcoal........
----- Original Message -----
From: Marg_G
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES

I read some of the page below, and I am wondering, it appears these stove
make charcoal?  Is this the same as what is used in carbon filters to purify
water?  Does anyone know what is it that makes the difference between carbon
and activated carbon?  Can the charcoal from these stoves be treated to
become activated carbon?  Can it then be used to filter drinking water?

Any thoughts would be appreciated, I am continuing to read about the wood
gas stoves and educate myself.

Marg
----- Original Message -----
From: "john killen" <akillen@...>
To: <WoodGas@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES


what is the difference ( for heating purposes) between burning the wood in a
conventional stove and creating and burning the woodgas????>  John K
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: rlvanadestine
  To: WoodGas@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:31 PM
  Subject: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES


  --- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
  > STOVES
  This is the best site going and it will get better, I am so happy to
  have found this site and the info that it contains and the future it
  has. Bob .
  >
  > http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Stoves.html



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#17 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 1:22 am
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
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"john killen" <akillen@...> wrote;

>what is the difference ( for heating purposes) between
> burning the wood in a  conventional stove and creating
> and burning the woodgas????>  John K

Hello John;

  Though heating is usually considered a by product of
making woodgas for use in internal combustion engines,
or storing for later burning, stoves for either cooking
or space heating also can use this technology.

Basically, the wood is heated/burned/pyrolized in an
oxygen deprived ennvironment.  This produces, heat,
charcoal, and woodgas.  The gas is then mixed with air,
and burns in a clean flame.  The combustion is simply
much more complete than in standard wood stoves.  I
heat my own home (100%) with a Scandinavian airtight
stove, that is supposed to achieve secondary combustion
of the gases, but in the real world of even -25°F I have
to close the relatively small stove down and there is no
burning of the gas.  I can see how it could be improved
to still deprive the wood of oxygen, to slow the burning,
yet supply adequate oxygen for the gas that is produced
to burn.

With a WoodGas cookstove you can get about five times the
energy out of the same amount of woods as a simple cookstove.

  "Improved Solid Biomass Burning Cookstoves
              A Development Manual "

        http://www.rwedp.org/fd44.html

Or, even efficiencies in excess of 10 times a standard stove.

http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Dream/paper-grover.htm

Ten Can WoodGas Stove:

http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Tencan.htm
http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/TenCan2.htm

Barrel WoodGas stove:

http://www.electricrailroad.com/stove/stove.html

Thanks to all who have joined the list, and a second thanks to
those who have started the postings.  Thanks Marc, for the
offer to take some pictures of your gasifier to share.

-Laren Corie-

#18 From: "hardway909" <akillen@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 2:23 am
Subject: Re: STOVES
hardway909
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that is quite a response to a simple question........thank you........
I presently use a CENTRAL BOILER, that is an outside wood box that
heats water to 185 degrees for space and domestic hot water.

The unit takes a load of wood that is 60 inches by aobut 48 inches by
about 30 inches ( quite a bit of wood per charge)

Then when I watch the smoke stack running whne the auto door is open
i just wonder howmuch CO is there in the exhaust..........
I hate to waste anything.............John Killen

---
In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
> "john killen" <akillen@t...> wrote;
>
> >what is the difference ( for heating purposes) between
> > burning the wood in a  conventional stove and creating
> > and burning the woodgas????>  John K
>
> Hello John;
>
>  Though heating is usually considered a by product of
> making woodgas for use in internal combustion engines,
> or storing for later burning, stoves for either cooking
> or space heating also can use this technology.
>
> Basically, the wood is heated/burned/pyrolized in an
> oxygen deprived ennvironment.  This produces, heat,
> charcoal, and woodgas.  The gas is then mixed with air,
> and burns in a clean flame.  The combustion is simply
> much more complete than in standard wood stoves.  I
> heat my own home (100%) with a Scandinavian airtight
> stove, that is supposed to achieve secondary combustion
> of the gases, but in the real world of even -25°F I have
> to close the relatively small stove down and there is no
> burning of the gas.  I can see how it could be improved
> to still deprive the wood of oxygen, to slow the burning,
> yet supply adequate oxygen for the gas that is produced
> to burn.
>
> With a WoodGas cookstove you can get about five times the
> energy out of the same amount of woods as a simple cookstove.
>
>  "Improved Solid Biomass Burning Cookstoves
>              A Development Manual "
>
>        http://www.rwedp.org/fd44.html
>
> Or, even efficiencies in excess of 10 times a standard stove.
>
> http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Dream/paper-grover.htm
>
> Ten Can WoodGas Stove:
>
> http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/Tencan.htm
> http://www.ikweb.com/enuff/public_html/TenCan2.htm
>
> Barrel WoodGas stove:
>
> http://www.electricrailroad.com/stove/stove.html
>
> Thanks to all who have joined the list, and a second thanks to
> those who have started the postings.  Thanks Marc, for the
> offer to take some pictures of your gasifier to share.
>
> -Laren Corie-

#19 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 2:37 am
Subject: Re: Charcoal_____Activation
larencorie
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"Marg_G" <marg_g2000@...> wrote;


> I read some of the page below, and I am wondering, it
> appears these stove make charcoal?  Is this the same
> as what is used in carbon filters to purify water?
>  Does anyone know what is it that makes the
> difference between carbon and activated carbon?
>  Can the charcoal from these stoves be treated to
> become activated carbon?  Can it then be used to
> filter drinking water?

Hello Marg;

I have put together a few links that might help:

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/charcoal_activated.html

" Activated charcoal is obtained by blasting the burning
  charcoal with oxygen, which increases its surface area,
  and  hence its ability to absorb inorganic matter and
  toxins, enormously. "

http://www.bagelhole.org/article.php/Health/68/

http://www.discovery.com/area/skinnyon/skinnyon980123/skinnyon.html

" Much like the old process, the modern commercial
  process is to heat wood with little or no air present
  which takes special but simple equipment.  In the
  United States, wood is the primary material used
  for charcoal and is generally procured in the form
  of residue like sawmill slabs and edgings. Sawmills
  love to find users of this material because of
  environment problems with burning and disposal.
  Where there are sawmills, there is available raw
  product. "

http://forestry.about.com/cs/@@@SUBJECTHERE/a/charcoal_alt.htm

This one has had a lot of veteranary stuff to wade through,
but on pgs 7-8 there is some very specific info on making
activated carbon.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/NationalList/TAPReviews/ActivatedCarbonLivestock
.pdf

"Experimental reheating of deactivated old charcoal
  from soil showed that temperatures above 450*C
  could reactivate charcoal. "

-Laren Corie-

#20 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 2:46 am
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
larencorie
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From: "hardway909" <akillen@...>

>The unit takes a load of wood that is 60 inches by
> about 48 inches by about 30 inches ( quite a bit
> of wood per charge)

Hi John;

Wow! 4/10th cord.  That would last me 2-3 in the
heart of the winter.  How long does it last you?

> Then when I watch the smoke stack running when the
> auto door is open i just wonder how much CO is there
> in the exhaust..........

Hydrogen too.

> I hate to waste anything.............John Killen

Haha... I know what you mean.

-Laren Corie-

#21 From: "john killen" <akillen@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 10:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
hardway909
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SO......... would i be correct in assuming that if i cooled the output (smoke) and filtered the particles that i could run a gas engine on the (waste smoke)?
----- Original Message -----
From: LarenCorie
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES

From: "hardway909" <akillen@...>

>The unit takes a load of wood that is 60 inches by
> about 48 inches by about 30 inches ( quite a bit
> of wood per charge)

Hi John;

Wow! 4/10th cord.  That would last me 2-3 in the
heart of the winter.  How long does it last you?

> Then when I watch the smoke stack running when the
> auto door is open i just wonder how much CO is there
> in the exhaust..........

Hydrogen too.

> I hate to waste anything.............John Killen

Haha... I know what you mean.

-Laren Corie-



#22 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
larencorie
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"john killen" <akillen@...> wrote;


> SO......... would i be correct in assuming that if i cooled
> the output (smoke) and filtered the particles that i could
> run a gas engine on the (waste smoke)?

  Basically, yes.  You want to drive off the initial moisture
first, and get the fire going, but after that you close down
the air, and the flue runs past enough surface area to cool
it some, then the particulates are taken out by an air filter,
before it enters a modified carburetor, where it is mixed
with air, as it enters the intake manifold.  The process can
be controlled, and can even be shut down to barely smolder
for a couple of hour, then be turned up again.  There are
details on this in the articles, on WoodGas conversions for
cars, which I posted earlier, and in others I will post soon.

-Laren Corie-

#23 From: "Scott.." <merryfreakinxmas@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 5:43 pm
Subject: Fw: [MSM] "Woodgas"
merifreekinxmas
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The owner of the yahoo group thesupersurvivalpost2 kicked me out of the
group because I objected to OFF TOPIC religious content. Watch your step if
you join.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MSM] "Woodgas"


>     I was in Japan just after the war and a lot of the taxis were run on
> wood gas. The apparatus looked like a water heater on the rear of the
> vehicle.
>     A word of caution. These taxis had a problem with the apparatus
blowing
> up. Safety precautions should be observed as the gas is explosive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
> To: <misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:16 PM
> Subject: [MSM] "Woodgas"
>
>
> >   Hello survivors ;O)
> >
> > So, you live in the forest or have access to plenty of wood, and
> > perhaps you heat your house, cook your food, or even heat your
> > water with it, but have not yet put together a way to generate
> > your electricity, or run your internal combustion engines on it.
> >
> > Well, guess what?  This isn't even new technology, and it is
> > available for you to use today.  From as early as the 1700s
> > people have been making a high quality combustion gas from
> > wood and other biomass. During WWII, millions of vehicles
> > ran for years on this "Producer Gas." This is not an undev-
> > -eloped technology, but does have room for improvement.
>
>
>
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#24 From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <ecogenics3@...>
Date: Wed May 5, 2004 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [MSM] "Woodgas"
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LOLOL.
  i had a friend come visit here he got out of his car and was walking
towards me when the top blew off my gasifier and flew up about 100 ft
in the air..... he had been in korean war and boy he hit the dirt
just like a good soldier!!! It took a few tequilas for us to calm
down..... by all means be carefull with these gasifiers...
lololol..
  Marc






--- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "Scott.." <merryfreakinxmas@e...>
wrote:
>
> The owner of the yahoo group thesupersurvivalpost2 kicked me out of
the
> group because I objected to OFF TOPIC religious content. Watch your
step if
> you join.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard allain" <allain@t...>
> To: <misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [MSM] "Woodgas"
>
>
> >     I was in Japan just after the war and a lot of the taxis were
run on
> > wood gas. The apparatus looked like a water heater on the rear of
the
> > vehicle.
> >     A word of caution. These taxis had a problem with the
apparatus
> blowing
> > up. Safety precautions should be observed as the gas is explosive.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...>
> > To: <misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:16 PM
> > Subject: [MSM] "Woodgas"
> >
> >
> > >   Hello survivors ;O)
> > >
> > > So, you live in the forest or have access to plenty of wood, and
> > > perhaps you heat your house, cook your food, or even heat your
> > > water with it, but have not yet put together a way to generate
> > > your electricity, or run your internal combustion engines on it.
> > >
> > > Well, guess what?  This isn't even new technology, and it is
> > > available for you to use today.  From as early as the 1700s
> > > people have been making a high quality combustion gas from
> > > wood and other biomass. During WWII, millions of vehicles
> > > ran for years on this "Producer Gas." This is not an undev-
> > > -eloped technology, but does have room for improvement.
> >
> >
> >
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> http://www.modernsurvival.net
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#25 From: Dennis <huckfinn1963@...>
Date: Thu May 6, 2004 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
huckfinn1963
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On Wednesday 05 May 2004 08:01, LarenCorie wrote:
>  "john killen" <akillen@...> wrote;
>
>  > SO......... would i be correct in assuming that if i cooled
>  > the output (smoke) and filtered the particles that i could
>  > run a gas engine on the (waste smoke)?
>
>  Basically, yes.  You want to drive off the initial moisture
>  first, and get the fire going, but after that you close down
>  the air, and the flue runs past enough surface area to cool
>  it some, then the particulates are taken out by an air filter,
>  before it enters a modified carburetor, where it is mixed
>  with air, as it enters the intake manifold.  The process can
>  be controlled, and can even be shut down to barely smolder
>  for a couple of hour, then be turned up again.  There are
>  details on this in the articles, on WoodGas conversions for
>  cars, which I posted earlier, and in others I will post soon.
>
I thought this was a 2 step process. First you burn wood, then u pull the
smoke through the hot coals which reburns it and generates mostly co, which
is then used as a fuel for burning in a stove or engine. Also thought that
the coals were burnt along with the wood.  The design I'm familiar with uses
a downdraft design to acheve this.
		 Dennis

>  -Laren Corie-
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#26 From: "Connie Hooker" <conniehooker@...>
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
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So far, I've used unfiltered wood gas for cooking & lighting. But need to
know how to filter it & adapt a carburater to run an engine on it.
           Joe



For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind:
      Hosea 8:7





>From: Dennis  <huckfinn1963@...>
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>To: WoodGas@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WoodGas] Re: STOVES
>Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 15:58:54 -0500
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>On Wednesday 05 May 2004 08:01, LarenCorie wrote:
> >  "john killen" <akillen@...> wrote;
> >
> >  > SO......... would i be correct in assuming that if i cooled
> >  > the output (smoke) and filtered the particles that i could
> >  > run a gas engine on the (waste smoke)?
> >
> >  Basically, yes.  You want to drive off the initial moisture
> >  first, and get the fire going, but after that you close down
> >  the air, and the flue runs past enough surface area to cool
> >  it some, then the particulates are taken out by an air filter,
> >  before it enters a modified carburetor, where it is mixed
> >  with air, as it enters the intake manifold.  The process can
> >  be controlled, and can even be shut down to barely smolder
> >  for a couple of hour, then be turned up again.  There are
> >  details on this in the articles, on WoodGas conversions for
> >  cars, which I posted earlier, and in others I will post soon.
> >
>I thought this was a 2 step process. First you burn wood, then u pull the
>smoke through the hot coals which reburns it and generates mostly co, which
>is then used as a fuel for burning in a stove or engine. Also thought that
>the coals were burnt along with the wood.  The design I'm familiar with
>uses
>a downdraft design to acheve this.
>  Dennis
>
> >  -Laren Corie-
> >
> >
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#27 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 4:04 pm
Subject: Re: Re: STOVES
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> So far, I've used unfiltered wood gas for cooking & lighting.
> But need to know how to filter it & adapt a carburater to
> run an engine on it.

Hi Joe;

  Somehow, I thought you had gotten an engine running.
Anyway, in the earliest ten or so posts, I had links to
a couple of articles, that discussed how to set up the
carburation. They are in the WoodGas Messages
archive. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WoodGas/


-Laren Corie-

#28 From: "LarenCorie" <larencorie@...>
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 4:22 pm
Subject: Wood Size.....Collection......Preparation
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Marc, or anyone else with experience, or knowledge.

   Everything I have been reading suggests that the fuel (wood)
needs to be small and fairly uniform, in order to feed smoothly,
without jamming, as the wood below is consumed. The suggested
size that sticks in my mind is 2" cubes.  Producing those seems
like a lot of work. My forest is filled with dead dry branched
from 1/2" to 2" in diameter.  My thought is to rig a big nipper
set-up, so that I can easily reduce those down into pieces 2-3"
long.  Does that sound efficient to you?  What are you using?
What feed problems have you encountered, or do you foresee?

-Laren Corie-

#29 From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender <gustl@...>
Date: Sat May 8, 2004 5:42 pm
Subject: OT-Sort Of
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Hallo Folks,

Although  the  concept  of  burning  wood for gas is not new to me the
mechanics of it are.

I  have  been  thinking, since the late 60's, that there ought to be a
way to grind used tires and burn them for gas which is ecologically as
sound  as it can be which means that there would have to be at least 2
burners  in order to get the smoke before it hit the atmosphere.  Some
new design of a stove or some design of which I am unaware.

Has anyone had any experience with this or any thoughts on this or can
anyone disabuse me of the notion that this is possible?

If this is too far off topic please feel free to contact me off-list.

Thank you all kindly.

Happy Happy,

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#30 From: "Marc Orion Cardoso" <ecogenics3@...>
Date: Sun May 9, 2004 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Wood Size.....Collection......Preparation
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Dear Laren,
   size is important depending on the feed mechanism if its a top
loading hatch then its far more flexible than a feed hopper. also
important, is the  dryness of the material.. it should preferably be
of low moisture content, although opinions vary in this ,some feel
that the steam created with wetter material  helps cool down the
gasses and also ,the structure of water can be dissacociated under
the pyrolitic temperatures created in the hearth zone.. also
important is a shaker grate or means of breaking up the "cake" that
can form through carbonisation.. as soon as I can get "roundtoit" ill
start taking pix of my gasifier here as I refurbish it.. stay
tuned.....
  Marc....









-- In WoodGas@yahoogroups.com, "LarenCorie" <larencorie@a...> wrote:
> Marc, or anyone else with experience, or knowledge.
>
>   Everything I have been reading suggests that the fuel (wood)
> needs to be small and fairly uniform, in order to feed smoothly,
> without jamming, as the wood below is consumed. The suggested
> size that sticks in my mind is 2" cubes.  Producing those seems
> like a lot of work. My forest is filled with dead dry branched
> from 1/2" to 2" in diameter.  My thought is to rig a big nipper
> set-up, so that I can easily reduce those down into pieces 2-3"
> long.  Does that sound efficient to you?  What are you using?
> What feed problems have you encountered, or do you foresee?
>
> -Laren Corie-

#34 From: "Gold" <zinguvok@...>
Date: Tue May 11, 2004 8:34 am
Subject: Running Non-heating Furnaces off of Producer Gas
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Dear group,
I'm a new member to this group, but I've been interested in wood gas
ever since I read about it in the Lindsay Books catalog. I'm very
interested in off-grid living, but this conflicts with my intended
profession; I'm studying to become a professional glassblower and
blacksmith, and glassblowing and blacksmithing are usually powered by
large amounts of propane :) I'd love to know if anyone has heard of
anyone having success running such things as blacksmiths' forges,
kilns, furnaces, etc. off of producer gas? Thanks for your time, and
I'm glad I'm a member of this group!

-- T. Gold

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