I spent many years as a developer before 'moving up' to test. The test groups appreciate that description. Then I can begin a description of why testers and...
Maybe I've misunderstood Lean, but isn't it about everyone on the factory floor Thinking For Themselves? Doesn't that relate to quality? OTOH, I really dislike...
I attended a session by Bjorn Regnell yesterday at Oredev, focused on the QUPER model for capturing and discussing quality requirements. the write-up is...
The only point that I disagreed with him on was that he referred to the move from test to dev as a progression. The fact that he appreciated the technical...
... Not to put words in his mouth, but if you look really closely at what he has written, a lot of his statements about CMMI boil down to "if you need to do it...
I am starting to agree that testers in an agile environment need a technical background. They at least need to know some of the basics. Otherwise, they tend...
Scott, I believe you are correct--more technical ability sure helps. That having been said, there are ways to work around a lack of engineering prowess....
John Overbaugh
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Nov 5, 2009 2:17 pm
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Scot, I fully agree with you - I am now struggling to get my testers well enough trained to be a full part of the team. Are there any specific basic training...
Smith, John H
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Nov 5, 2009 2:19 pm
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I'm a non-coding tester who has worked on teams like that, mostly I tried to do what I could and learn what I could to help out. Initially I was more...
Shameless plug - Janet Gregory and I have a three day Agile Testing training course that helps testers and their agile teammates understand what testers can...
Scott. There are number of options how to be busy in between staging releases. In my team with dedicated automation engineers and testers, tester is working on...
I have worked with teams where the testers were all 'non-technical' to start with. We did exactly what Scott suggested and created a framework that allowed...
Interesting! Thanks for writing this up! -- Lisa ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile...
It could be true that efforts have been made. The results of such efforts typically waste of time. When testers "write" there own "fixtures" no one hell knows...
Again, I am sorry you've had such bad experiences, but I find it sad you don't think testers can learn new skills. I can vouch for the team I worked with, and...
Our situation is very similar. The testers in the team do not have programming knowledge to develop the product, they do, however have a great deal of...
Janet, Thanks that you value my opinion not calling it cynical like Lisa did. I respect testers and believe they should learn new skills. Unfortunately for...
System engineering and software development are different. I strongly believe that modern qa or tester should have basic knowledge in networking and system...
Thanks for the input John. It's not just the inability to write or help with automation test frameworks or unit tests, it's the general lack of development...
Thanks for the input John. In my case, I have been teaching the testers C# myself. I am fortunate to have a dev back ground plus I enjoy teaching. We bought...
Thanks for the response. Yes, I agree. Not all testers will take to development. One person on my team knows a little bit and that is enough for him. It's...
... OK, again you're sharing an experience that's specific to your particular environment, which doesn't apply to mine, or to Janet's. I'm stressing here that...
Well said, Mike! ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) ...
Scott, I like your approach. I call that the "Power of Three". It's the need to have a customer, developer and tester all on the same page. On one team ...
I find that first the first time in years, I am actually getting excited about the term "Agile Software Development" and "Agile Software Testing" - enough to...
It sounds like you have written on the subject for a while and that you have used (I assume successfully) the principles and techniques. How are your feelings...
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