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#1386 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: quick question 		serioustuden...
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I would actually think law enforcement would be even more hesitant to share details as bow the PI is too close to the situation.  He could actually now compromise the investigation.

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] quick question

 
My understanding of this stuation in Australia is that the homicide division would be under no obligation to share information due to operational priorities. All the best, Amber.
From: thepiedpiper <excalibur321112@...>
To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 14 September 2011 7:12 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] quick question

 
hi folks been awhile since i've checked in but i have a question.
during an investigation into a string of murders a private investigators' wife becomes one of the victims. now if the family of the victim, brother mother etc. would the homicide division be required to share whatever information with that private investigator?
thanks in advance.






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#1387 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:41 am
Subject: Re: Re: quick question 		serioustuden...
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He has never heard of it.  John actually is a very open individual.  He has a website where anyone can ask him questions.  Many of us on this website however have been discussing with him for decades (dear god I am OLD Russ!) profiling....he isn't coming for Christmas dinner and we are not on besties lists, however he is still one of the leaders in the business and highly respected...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
Several people that post here know John Douglas.
Russell

From: Tastery Reed <tastery@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
U know John Douglas

From: Littlelady007 <serioustudent2000@...>
To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
I am going to ask John Douglas to see if he has ever come across the term. If anyone can answer it, I am sure he can!

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, Jack <popuppy@...> wrote:
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> From: Knot4u2no@... <Knot4u2no@...>
> Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 7:38 AM
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> Jack did the "work" with the character referred to as Milo in the book. Jack obtained two sets of input ratings for BRACE Character Profiles, one before the "work" and one after. The profiles showed marked improvement. Last I heard from Jack, Milo had not acted-out any of his fantasies and was no longer actively cultivating them. However, that was several years ago and, in the absence of active efforts to the contrary, old fantasies are prone to resurface.
> Russell
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> ---- Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > Russell,
> > I was on board when you met up with your subject for Blood Red. What
> > happened with him?
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com]
> > On Behalf Of Knot4u2no@ec. rr.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:51 AM
> > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > Cc: Jack
> > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> >
> >  
> > Bryan,
> > I have worked with several ... each was completely different in terms of
> > learning history, personality characteristics, and motivation. I have
> > profiled several also, with other people providing the input ratings, from
> > Dahmer to Kemper ... all unique. The individual that Jack mentioned is
> > detailed, profile and all, in Jack's BLOOD RED: Genesis of a Psychopath.
> > Russell
> > ---- Jack <popuppy@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> > > Russell and I worked with a kid for about three years on line. We could
> > probably help.
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:57 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Amber,
> > > Curious to learn where your necrophilic offender was gaining access to his
> > or her victims.  I have talked with and learned a great deal from offenders
> > over the years, but I really struggle understanding this particular
> > paraphilia.  I think it is probably because I have never had to work
> > directly with a person who committed this type of offense.  I have worked
> > with many individuals who are sadists and from that work I am able to
> > understand the dynamics.  However, I need to gain a better understanding of
> > the dynamics involved with necrophilia.  If anyone has worked with an
> > individual who has this particular paraphilia, I would greatly appreciate
> > have a discussion. 
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> > > Deviant Crimes
> > > P.O. Box 414
> > > Davis, CA 95617
> > > (530) 574-8023
> > > http://www.deviantc rimes.com
> > >
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> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups.
> > com ] On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:50 AM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >  
> > >  
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> > > Bryan ,
> > >
> > > I have had a recent necrophilic offender (3 months ago) but have not heard
> > or seen the term 'mute necrophile' before.  Check with the DCI leading the
> > case and neither had they.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com >
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 3:44 PM
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > Amber,
> > > Have you come across any cases where this behavior has occurred during
> > your
> > > research?
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > com]
> > > On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:56 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Sorry I can't help - I checked with police sources here in Australia and
> > > that is not a term used or known here.
> > > regards,
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Saturday, 18 July, 2009, 6:06 PM
> > >  
> > > i came across this term back when we were on the serialkillers. net  site.
> > > ive also been searching for it on the net with the same results. ( my lack
> > > of writing things down coming back to kick me)
> > > yours in fear and loathing,
> > >                                joe
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 2:07 AM
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Where did you reference this term? I've seen a few cases where there has
> > > been things inserted into throats. In those cases it was a functional
> > > aspect of the crime however to keep the victim from making noise, but
> > > ultimately led to death. I did a basic search on the term "mute
> > > necrophilia" on Google and came up with nothing and then did an advanced
> > > literature search in my electronic journal database and came up with
> > > nothing. If you could give me a reference point, I'd appreciate it.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > > com]
> > > On Behalf Of joe
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:45 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > what is known about mute necrophilia, the insertion of an object into a
> > body
> > > orifice. a good example of this would be in the film silence of the lambs
> > > where at the autopsy the moth was removed from the victims throat.
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> > > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how.
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#1388 From: Jack <popuppy@...>
Date: Wed Nov 2, 2011 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: quick question 		popuppy
Send Email Send Email
 
Dawn, you will never be old to me. You will always be young and lusting for the perfictly sculptured chest. After all, this IS the internet, where all things aer possible!
 
<span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;">There's no place like home.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span>

From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
He has never heard of it.  John actually is a very open individual.  He has a website where anyone can ask him questions.  Many of us on this website however have been discussing with him for decades (dear god I am OLD Russ!) profiling....he isn't coming for Christmas dinner and we are not on besties lists, however he is still one of the leaders in the business and highly respected...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
Several people that post here know John Douglas.
Russell

From: Tastery Reed <tastery@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
U know John Douglas

From: Littlelady007 <serioustudent2000@...>
To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
I am going to ask John Douglas to see if he has ever come across the term. If anyone can answer it, I am sure he can!

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, Jack <popuppy@...> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Knot4u2no@... <Knot4u2no@...> wrote:
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> From: Knot4u2no@... <Knot4u2no@...>
> Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 7:38 AM
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> Bryan,
> Jack did the "work" with the character referred to as Milo in the book. Jack obtained two sets of input ratings for BRACE Character Profiles, one before the "work" and one after. The profiles showed marked improvement. Last I heard from Jack, Milo had not acted-out any of his fantasies and was no longer actively cultivating them. However, that was several years ago and, in the absence of active efforts to the contrary, old fantasies are prone to resurface.
> Russell
>
> ---- Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > Russell,
> > I was on board when you met up with your subject for Blood Red. What
> > happened with him?
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com]
> > On Behalf Of Knot4u2no@ec. rr.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:51 AM
> > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > Cc: Jack
> > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> >
> >  
> > Bryan,
> > I have worked with several ... each was completely different in terms of
> > learning history, personality characteristics, and motivation. I have
> > profiled several also, with other people providing the input ratings, from
> > Dahmer to Kemper ... all unique. The individual that Jack mentioned is
> > detailed, profile and all, in Jack's BLOOD RED: Genesis of a Psychopath.
> > Russell
> > ---- Jack <popuppy@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Russell and I worked with a kid for about three years on line. We could
> > probably help.
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:57 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Amber,
> > > Curious to learn where your necrophilic offender was gaining access to his
> > or her victims.  I have talked with and learned a great deal from offenders
> > over the years, but I really struggle understanding this particular
> > paraphilia.  I think it is probably because I have never had to work
> > directly with a person who committed this type of offense.  I have worked
> > with many individuals who are sadists and from that work I am able to
> > understand the dynamics.  However, I need to gain a better understanding of
> > the dynamics involved with necrophilia.  If anyone has worked with an
> > individual who has this particular paraphilia, I would greatly appreciate
> > have a discussion. 
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> > > Deviant Crimes
> > > P.O. Box 414
> > > Davis, CA 95617
> > > (530) 574-8023
> > > http://www.deviantc rimes.com
> > >
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
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> > >
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups.
> > com ] On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:50 AM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >  
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan ,
> > >
> > > I have had a recent necrophilic offender (3 months ago) but have not heard
> > or seen the term 'mute necrophile' before.  Check with the DCI leading the
> > case and neither had they.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com >
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 3:44 PM
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > Amber,
> > > Have you come across any cases where this behavior has occurred during
> > your
> > > research?
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > com]
> > > On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:56 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Sorry I can't help - I checked with police sources here in Australia and
> > > that is not a term used or known here.
> > > regards,
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Saturday, 18 July, 2009, 6:06 PM
> > >  
> > > i came across this term back when we were on the serialkillers. net  site.
> > > ive also been searching for it on the net with the same results. ( my lack
> > > of writing things down coming back to kick me)
> > > yours in fear and loathing,
> > >                                joe
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 2:07 AM
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Where did you reference this term? I've seen a few cases where there has
> > > been things inserted into throats. In those cases it was a functional
> > > aspect of the crime however to keep the victim from making noise, but
> > > ultimately led to death. I did a basic search on the term "mute
> > > necrophilia" on Google and came up with nothing and then did an advanced
> > > literature search in my electronic journal database and came up with
> > > nothing. If you could give me a reference point, I'd appreciate it.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > > com]
> > > On Behalf Of joe
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:45 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > what is known about mute necrophilia, the insertion of an object into a
> > body
> > > orifice. a good example of this would be in the film silence of the lambs
> > > where at the autopsy the moth was removed from the victims throat.
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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#1389 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Thu Nov 3, 2011 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: quick question 		serioustuden...
Send Email Send Email
 
AAAAAhhhhhh Jack you are so right! I almost forgot that! (Swishes her long red locks out of her face as she slides into the saddle on her black steed)....

From: Jack <popuppy@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
Dawn, you will never be old to me. You will always be young and lusting for the perfictly sculptured chest. After all, this IS the internet, where all things aer possible!
 
<span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;">There's no place like home.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span>

From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
He has never heard of it.  John actually is a very open individual.  He has a website where anyone can ask him questions.  Many of us on this website however have been discussing with him for decades (dear god I am OLD Russ!) profiling....he isn't coming for Christmas dinner and we are not on besties lists, however he is still one of the leaders in the business and highly respected...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
Several people that post here know John Douglas.
Russell

From: Tastery Reed <tastery@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
U know John Douglas

From: Littlelady007 <serioustudent2000@...>
To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Re: quick question

 
I am going to ask John Douglas to see if he has ever come across the term. If anyone can answer it, I am sure he can!

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, Jack <popuppy@...> wrote:
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> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Knot4u2no@... <Knot4u2no@...> wrote:
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> From: Knot4u2no@... <Knot4u2no@...>
> Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "Bryan Nelson" <bnelson@...>
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 7:38 AM
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> Bryan,
> Jack did the "work" with the character referred to as Milo in the book. Jack obtained two sets of input ratings for BRACE Character Profiles, one before the "work" and one after. The profiles showed marked improvement. Last I heard from Jack, Milo had not acted-out any of his fantasies and was no longer actively cultivating them. However, that was several years ago and, in the absence of active efforts to the contrary, old fantasies are prone to resurface.
> Russell
>
> ---- Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > Russell,
> > I was on board when you met up with your subject for Blood Red. What
> > happened with him?
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com]
> > On Behalf Of Knot4u2no@ec. rr.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:51 AM
> > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > Cc: Jack
> > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> >
> >  
> > Bryan,
> > I have worked with several ... each was completely different in terms of
> > learning history, personality characteristics, and motivation. I have
> > profiled several also, with other people providing the input ratings, from
> > Dahmer to Kemper ... all unique. The individual that Jack mentioned is
> > detailed, profile and all, in Jack's BLOOD RED: Genesis of a Psychopath.
> > Russell
> > ---- Jack <popuppy@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> > > Russell and I worked with a kid for about three years on line. We could
> > probably help.
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/25/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcrim es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 12:57 AM
> > >
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> > > Amber,
> > > Curious to learn where your necrophilic offender was gaining access to his
> > or her victims.  I have talked with and learned a great deal from offenders
> > over the years, but I really struggle understanding this particular
> > paraphilia.  I think it is probably because I have never had to work
> > directly with a person who committed this type of offense.  I have worked
> > with many individuals who are sadists and from that work I am able to
> > understand the dynamics.  However, I need to gain a better understanding of
> > the dynamics involved with necrophilia.  If anyone has worked with an
> > individual who has this particular paraphilia, I would greatly appreciate
> > have a discussion. 
> > >  
> > >
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> > >
> > > Bryan Nelson, M.S.
> > > Deviant Crimes
> > > P.O. Box 414
> > > Davis, CA 95617
> > > (530) 574-8023
> > > http://www.deviantc rimes.com
> > >
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> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups.
> > com ] On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:50 AM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
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> > > Bryan ,
> > >
> > > I have had a recent necrophilic offender (3 months ago) but have not heard
> > or seen the term 'mute necrophile' before.  Check with the DCI leading the
> > case and neither had they.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson < bnelson@deviantcrim es.com >
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 3:44 PM
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > Amber,
> > > Have you come across any cases where this behavior has occurred during
> > your
> > > research?
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > com]
> > > On Behalf Of Amber McKinley-George
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:56 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Sorry I can't help - I checked with police sources here in Australia and
> > > that is not a term used or known here.
> > > regards,
> > > Amber
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 18/7/09, joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: joe pepe <excalibur321112@ yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Saturday, 18 July, 2009, 6:06 PM
> > >  
> > > i came across this term back when we were on the serialkillers. net  site.
> > > ive also been searching for it on the net with the same results. ( my lack
> > > of writing things down coming back to kick me)
> > > yours in fear and loathing,
> > >                                joe
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Nelson <bnelson@deviantcri m es.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 2:07 AM
> > >  
> > > Joe,
> > > Where did you reference this term? I've seen a few cases where there has
> > > been things inserted into throats. In those cases it was a functional
> > > aspect of the crime however to keep the victim from making noise, but
> > > ultimately led to death. I did a basic search on the term "mute
> > > necrophilia" on Google and came up with nothing and then did an advanced
> > > literature search in my electronic journal database and came up with
> > > nothing. If you could give me a reference point, I'd appreciate it.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > > From: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:deviantcrim es@ yahoogroups.
> > > com]
> > > On Behalf Of joe
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:45 PM
> > > To: deviantcrimes@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Subject: [deviantcrimes] quick question
> > >
> > >  
> > > what is known about mute necrophilia, the insertion of an object into a
> > body
> > > orifice. a good example of this would be in the film silence of the lambs
> > > where at the autopsy the moth was removed from the victims throat.
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#1390 From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
Date: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:33 pm
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR! 		braceanalysis
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The best to you and yours!
 
Russell

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#1391 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Sun Jan 1, 2012 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! 		amber_mckinl...
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Happy 2012 from Down Under. It's hot, steamy and the air is thick with the scent of BBQ's. I wish you all well.
regards, Amber
 
From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012 2:33 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] HAPPY NEW YEAR!
 
The best to you and yours!
 
Russell



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#1392 From: "thepiedpiper" <excalibur321112@...>
Date: Mon Jan 2, 2012 9:11 am
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! 		excalibur321112
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same to you Russel,i hope your holidays went well.
--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...> wrote:
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> Russell
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#1393 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 am
Subject: Thoughts? 		amber_mckinl...
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Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber

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#1394 From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:35 pm
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		braceanalysis
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Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber



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#1395 From: "Craig Faustus Buck" <buck@...>
Date: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:18 pm
Subject: You're invited to lunch with two LAPD Homicide Detectives Feb 11 		craigbuck1
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#1396 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:31 am
Subject: Teacher Student - Deviant Crime? 		amber_mckinl...
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Evening All,
 
 
I would be interested in your thoughts on this...
regards,
Amber

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#1397 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:34 am
Subject: Question regarding sentencing on deviant crimes US 		amber_mckinl...
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I was wondering if any one of you could advise me of the approximate length of sentence this POI would get if found guilty of what he has been charged with?
 
 
Many thanks for your input.
regards,
Amber

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#1398 From: Jack <popuppy@...>
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: Teacher Student - Deviant Crime? 		popuppy
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Concenting adults, but exceedingly stupid, if he wants to remain an educator
 
<span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;">There's no place like home.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span>

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Teacher Student - Deviant Crime?

 
Evening All,
 
 
I would be interested in your thoughts on this...
regards,
Amber



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#1399 From: Jack <popuppy@...>
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Question regarding sentencing on deviant crimes US 		popuppy
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If it happened where I live, I could see him getting a life sentence. As far as the crime goes, child endangerment, assault, being a slimeball without redeming features, etc.
 
<span style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;">There's no place like home.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span>

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:34 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Question regarding sentencing on deviant crimes US

 
I was wondering if any one of you could advise me of the approximate length of sentence this POI would get if found guilty of what he has been charged with?
 
 
Many thanks for your input.
regards,
Amber



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#1400 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:18 am
Subject: S3xual Servitude 		amber_mckinl...
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Prostitution is legal in Australia, although solicitation is illegal...sadly there are still many brothels that are not 'above board'...
 
 
Are they legal in the States? Canada?
 
regards,
Amber
 
 

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#1401 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:22 am
Subject: Sex Slavery 		amber_mckinl...
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There is deviance and then there is deviance...
 
 
this is very similar to a few cases that have come up recently in relation to children being 'imported' for house duties. Why are children like this slipping through the cracks? In Australia at least a child cannot register for work (paid) until they are 16 years old. Is it the same in the States? How come there is no query why she didn't attend school?
 
regards,
Amber

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#1402 From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
Date: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: Sex Slavery 		braceanalysis
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Sometimes it takes a little inside help:
 
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Sex Slavery

 
There is deviance and then there is deviance...
 
 
this is very similar to a few cases that have come up recently in relation to children being 'imported' for house duties. Why are children like this slipping through the cracks? In Australia at least a child cannot register for work (paid) until they are 16 years old. Is it the same in the States? How come there is no query why she didn't attend school?
 
regards,
Amber



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#1403 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:27 am
Subject: Re: Sex Slavery 		amber_mckinl...
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Wow - that sure puts it into perspective. Frightening.

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 10 February 2012 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Sex Slavery

 
Sometimes it takes a little inside help:
 
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:22 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Sex Slavery

 
There is deviance and then there is deviance...
 
 
this is very similar to a few cases that have come up recently in relation to children being 'imported' for house duties. Why are children like this slipping through the cracks? In Australia at least a child cannot register for work (paid) until they are 16 years old. Is it the same in the States? How come there is no query why she didn't attend school?
 
regards,
Amber





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#1404 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:32 am
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		serioustuden...
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Actually I can vouch for the criminal element being in the military far more than civilians know.  Last year I retired from the Army, and have served in the Air Force as well.  As I have told my freinds who think the soldier in uniform is hot - just because he is in uniform doesn't make him a great catch.  See, there is a different viewpoint inside which makes certain crimes "forgiveable" in the eyes of the command and fellow soldiers, as long as there isn't a major stink made, or word doesn't leak out in the civilian world.
 
"Roughed up" your wife? Hey the dude just got back from a tour so cut him some slack.  (DV is RAMPANT in the military and basically hidden as much as possible.)
 
Had "rough sex?" She Loved it! You totally hit that and jacked her up! (Rape is a crime which, if the civilian or media do nto find out about, can actually be a badge of honor in certain circles - and not just in low level ones as well.  Two years ago we had a Luetenient Colonel busted down to private and dishonorably discharged.  SOunds great, right? There were over 6 high ranking officers repeatedly molesting, raping, and humilitaing three women in the unit - one of which ended up in the psych ward.)
 
That stupic private had it coming to him. Assualts are considered normal when in the ranks.  If you cry fowl, you are a wimp. You are supposed ot sit and take it, to prove you are not going to cry, you learned your lesson, and you weill be a greater soldier because of it.  Oh, and be expected to do the same on command.
 
Freindly Fire and fragging...happens more than you know, not reported as much as you think, and often times the dead victim is reported as "died in combat" or "Field training excersize" and move on...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber





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#1405 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:49 am
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		amber_mckinl...
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Thanks for your input Dawn. Sad but enlightening.regards,
amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Actually I can vouch for the criminal element being in the military far more than civilians know.  Last year I retired from the Army, and have served in the Air Force as well.  As I have told my freinds who think the soldier in uniform is hot - just because he is in uniform doesn't make him a great catch.  See, there is a different viewpoint inside which makes certain crimes "forgiveable" in the eyes of the command and fellow soldiers, as long as there isn't a major stink made, or word doesn't leak out in the civilian world.
 
"Roughed up" your wife? Hey the dude just got back from a tour so cut him some slack.  (DV is RAMPANT in the military and basically hidden as much as possible.)
 
Had "rough sex?" She Loved it! You totally hit that and jacked her up! (Rape is a crime which, if the civilian or media do nto find out about, can actually be a badge of honor in certain circles - and not just in low level ones as well.  Two years ago we had a Luetenient Colonel busted down to private and dishonorably discharged.  SOunds great, right? There were over 6 high ranking officers repeatedly molesting, raping, and humilitaing three women in the unit - one of which ended up in the psych ward.)
 
That stupic private had it coming to him. Assualts are considered normal when in the ranks.  If you cry fowl, you are a wimp. You are supposed ot sit and take it, to prove you are not going to cry, you learned your lesson, and you weill be a greater soldier because of it.  Oh, and be expected to do the same on command.
 
Freindly Fire and fragging...happens more than you know, not reported as much as you think, and often times the dead victim is reported as "died in combat" or "Field training excersize" and move on...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber







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#1406 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:50 pm
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		serioustuden...
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I think it comes with the territory, however.  See, the military is a different way of life. Many do not understand the pressure most military are under.  Yet it is not an identifiable stressor really.  Imagine if you had to live a life where everyone expects you to conform to civilian life - but give you the ok to kill, discuss killing, supports violence, and enforces the fact strong is better, survival isparamount, and while you are away from family - well what goes TDY stays TDY (temporary duty yonder).  Now. You are still supposed ot pay bills on time, support your PTA, deal with family issues which are pretty trivial in the big scope of life, be romantic when required, a perfect lady or gentlman in public, and still maintain a bad ass appearance for your troops. I mean, which would you want ot be in a foxhole with bullets flying around, Tom Hanks or Bruce Willis?  A guy who talks down to you but can take out a tnak, or someone who wants to know if your feelings are hurt and thinks if he waves awhite flag you will be ok?
 
Reality is you cannot have alife of violence and alpha dog mentality without spill over. Do I think it is right for the crimes to be committed? NO.  LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. I DO NOT CONDONE THEM.  But I get why they are happening and where the mentality can come from.  Needless to say I am tired of the one line readers who then get all in my face about a sentence taken out of context and leaves the rest of the topic. Not here, mind youj, just been dealing with it in class wiht a professor ggrrrrrr....
 
 
 

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Thanks for your input Dawn. Sad but enlightening.regards,
amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Actually I can vouch for the criminal element being in the military far more than civilians know.  Last year I retired from the Army, and have served in the Air Force as well.  As I have told my freinds who think the soldier in uniform is hot - just because he is in uniform doesn't make him a great catch.  See, there is a different viewpoint inside which makes certain crimes "forgiveable" in the eyes of the command and fellow soldiers, as long as there isn't a major stink made, or word doesn't leak out in the civilian world.
 
"Roughed up" your wife? Hey the dude just got back from a tour so cut him some slack.  (DV is RAMPANT in the military and basically hidden as much as possible.)
 
Had "rough sex?" She Loved it! You totally hit that and jacked her up! (Rape is a crime which, if the civilian or media do nto find out about, can actually be a badge of honor in certain circles - and not just in low level ones as well.  Two years ago we had a Luetenient Colonel busted down to private and dishonorably discharged.  SOunds great, right? There were over 6 high ranking officers repeatedly molesting, raping, and humilitaing three women in the unit - one of which ended up in the psych ward.)
 
That stupic private had it coming to him. Assualts are considered normal when in the ranks.  If you cry fowl, you are a wimp. You are supposed ot sit and take it, to prove you are not going to cry, you learned your lesson, and you weill be a greater soldier because of it.  Oh, and be expected to do the same on command.
 
Freindly Fire and fragging...happens more than you know, not reported as much as you think, and often times the dead victim is reported as "died in combat" or "Field training excersize" and move on...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber









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#1407 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:44 am
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		amber_mckinl...
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I am working with MPs here in NSW and have recently had a number of weeks with infantry and your description is not only correct, true and real but I suspect could not be any other way considering what is expected of them in theatre. I do not condone these behaviours however I cannot see how these soliders could successfully 'flick a switch' and go from CPL Smith front line infantry for 4-6 months and within the space of a week and a flight home he become Mr. Smith, husband, father, lover, provider and concern himself with blocked gutters, school fees and mowing the lawn...
Again, Dawn. I thank you for your candour. It has given me something to think about re my future work with the military.
regards, amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
I think it comes with the territory, however.  See, the military is a different way of life. Many do not understand the pressure most military are under.  Yet it is not an identifiable stressor really.  Imagine if you had to live a life where everyone expects you to conform to civilian life - but give you the ok to kill, discuss killing, supports violence, and enforces the fact strong is better, survival isparamount, and while you are away from family - well what goes TDY stays TDY (temporary duty yonder).  Now. You are still supposed ot pay bills on time, support your PTA, deal with family issues which are pretty trivial in the big scope of life, be romantic when required, a perfect lady or gentlman in public, and still maintain a bad ass appearance for your troops. I mean, which would you want ot be in a foxhole with bullets flying around, Tom Hanks or Bruce Willis?  A guy who talks down to you but can take out a tnak, or someone who wants to know if your feelings are hurt and thinks if he waves awhite flag you will be ok?
 
Reality is you cannot have alife of violence and alpha dog mentality without spill over. Do I think it is right for the crimes to be committed? NO.  LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. I DO NOT CONDONE THEM.  But I get why they are happening and where the mentality can come from.  Needless to say I am tired of the one line readers who then get all in my face about a sentence taken out of context and leaves the rest of the topic. Not here, mind youj, just been dealing with it in class wiht a professor ggrrrrrr....
 
 
 

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Thanks for your input Dawn. Sad but enlightening.regards,
amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Actually I can vouch for the criminal element being in the military far more than civilians know.  Last year I retired from the Army, and have served in the Air Force as well.  As I have told my freinds who think the soldier in uniform is hot - just because he is in uniform doesn't make him a great catch.  See, there is a different viewpoint inside which makes certain crimes "forgiveable" in the eyes of the command and fellow soldiers, as long as there isn't a major stink made, or word doesn't leak out in the civilian world.
 
"Roughed up" your wife? Hey the dude just got back from a tour so cut him some slack.  (DV is RAMPANT in the military and basically hidden as much as possible.)
 
Had "rough sex?" She Loved it! You totally hit that and jacked her up! (Rape is a crime which, if the civilian or media do nto find out about, can actually be a badge of honor in certain circles - and not just in low level ones as well.  Two years ago we had a Luetenient Colonel busted down to private and dishonorably discharged.  SOunds great, right? There were over 6 high ranking officers repeatedly molesting, raping, and humilitaing three women in the unit - one of which ended up in the psych ward.)
 
That stupic private had it coming to him. Assualts are considered normal when in the ranks.  If you cry fowl, you are a wimp. You are supposed ot sit and take it, to prove you are not going to cry, you learned your lesson, and you weill be a greater soldier because of it.  Oh, and be expected to do the same on command.
 
Freindly Fire and fragging...happens more than you know, not reported as much as you think, and often times the dead victim is reported as "died in combat" or "Field training excersize" and move on...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber











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#1408 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:49 am
Subject: I don't understand 		amber_mckinl...
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Hi everyone,
Can someone explain the laws in the US in relation to this case, please?
 
 
The way I understand it is if a person is mentally ill they cannot stand trial and be convicted. What am I missing here?
 
amber

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#1409 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Re: I don't understand 		serioustuden...
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Not guilty by mental defect is an extremely hard defense to prove. The fact she claimed a mental illness needs to address her NOT knowing right from wrong as society sees it at the time of the crime. For instance, if I were to feel the neighborhood grocer was planning something horrific, and I had to take him out first, I could still be charged with murder as I know it is not accpetable to take his life in the eyes of society. 
 
Yes, she was depressed. No, she should NOT have had those children with her.  However she KNEW what she was doing was legally and societally wrong, ergo can be charged under the statute.  It is the same situation as Susan Smith, the woman who drowned her children in the tub.

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:49 PM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] I don't understand

 
Hi everyone,
Can someone explain the laws in the US in relation to this case, please?
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13192713/mum-pleads-guilty-to-killing-toddlers
 
The way I understand it is if a person is mentally ill they cannot stand trial and be convicted. What am I missing here?
 
amber



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#1410 From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:55 am
Subject: Re: Thoughts? 		serioustuden...
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Any time....if you ever need to ask a question feel free...you may not like the answer but you will get a thorough one! :) Littlelady007......

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
I am working with MPs here in NSW and have recently had a number of weeks with infantry and your description is not only correct, true and real but I suspect could not be any other way considering what is expected of them in theatre. I do not condone these behaviours however I cannot see how these soliders could successfully 'flick a switch' and go from CPL Smith front line infantry for 4-6 months and within the space of a week and a flight home he become Mr. Smith, husband, father, lover, provider and concern himself with blocked gutters, school fees and mowing the lawn...
Again, Dawn. I thank you for your candour. It has given me something to think about re my future work with the military.
regards, amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 17 March 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
I think it comes with the territory, however.  See, the military is a different way of life. Many do not understand the pressure most military are under.  Yet it is not an identifiable stressor really.  Imagine if you had to live a life where everyone expects you to conform to civilian life - but give you the ok to kill, discuss killing, supports violence, and enforces the fact strong is better, survival isparamount, and while you are away from family - well what goes TDY stays TDY (temporary duty yonder).  Now. You are still supposed ot pay bills on time, support your PTA, deal with family issues which are pretty trivial in the big scope of life, be romantic when required, a perfect lady or gentlman in public, and still maintain a bad ass appearance for your troops. I mean, which would you want ot be in a foxhole with bullets flying around, Tom Hanks or Bruce Willis?  A guy who talks down to you but can take out a tnak, or someone who wants to know if your feelings are hurt and thinks if he waves awhite flag you will be ok?
 
Reality is you cannot have alife of violence and alpha dog mentality without spill over. Do I think it is right for the crimes to be committed? NO.  LET ME SAY IT AGAIN. I DO NOT CONDONE THEM.  But I get why they are happening and where the mentality can come from.  Needless to say I am tired of the one line readers who then get all in my face about a sentence taken out of context and leaves the rest of the topic. Not here, mind youj, just been dealing with it in class wiht a professor ggrrrrrr....
 
 
 

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Thanks for your input Dawn. Sad but enlightening.regards,
amber
 
From: Dawn Johnson <serioustudent2000@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Actually I can vouch for the criminal element being in the military far more than civilians know.  Last year I retired from the Army, and have served in the Air Force as well.  As I have told my freinds who think the soldier in uniform is hot - just because he is in uniform doesn't make him a great catch.  See, there is a different viewpoint inside which makes certain crimes "forgiveable" in the eyes of the command and fellow soldiers, as long as there isn't a major stink made, or word doesn't leak out in the civilian world.
 
"Roughed up" your wife? Hey the dude just got back from a tour so cut him some slack.  (DV is RAMPANT in the military and basically hidden as much as possible.)
 
Had "rough sex?" She Loved it! You totally hit that and jacked her up! (Rape is a crime which, if the civilian or media do nto find out about, can actually be a badge of honor in certain circles - and not just in low level ones as well.  Two years ago we had a Luetenient Colonel busted down to private and dishonorably discharged.  SOunds great, right? There were over 6 high ranking officers repeatedly molesting, raping, and humilitaing three women in the unit - one of which ended up in the psych ward.)
 
That stupic private had it coming to him. Assualts are considered normal when in the ranks.  If you cry fowl, you are a wimp. You are supposed ot sit and take it, to prove you are not going to cry, you learned your lesson, and you weill be a greater soldier because of it.  Oh, and be expected to do the same on command.
 
Freindly Fire and fragging...happens more than you know, not reported as much as you think, and often times the dead victim is reported as "died in combat" or "Field training excersize" and move on...

From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
To: "deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com" <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?

 
Hi Amber,
 
IMO, there has always been crime in the military, some very sophisticated criminal rings, some just run-of-the-mill criminals (murderers, rapists, thieves, batterers), some just for $ (drug rings, selling military equipment), some for more sinister reasons (spies).
 
Russell

From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
To: Deviant Crimes <deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:48 AM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] Thoughts?
 
Australia is 'suffering' at the moment with a string of deviant crimes within our military.
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/article/12559107/defence-force-cover-ups-revealed/
 
Is this happening in other countries? In yours? Do you hear of it much?
I am interested as I am working with the military as a consultant and am surprised at the level of media and political attention.
 
regards,
Amber













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#1411 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2012 8:07 am
Subject: Prostitution 		amber_mckinl...
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A 12-year-old girl allegedly lured into a child prostitution ring was scared she'd get into trouble if she didn't have sex with a 55-year-old client, a court has heard.
Elia Toma, 55, appeared in Campbelltown Local Court on Friday charged with multiple child sex and prostitution offences.
Toma is one of four men, all aged in their 50s, charged with being customers of an alleged Sydney child prostitution ring run by two young sisters.
All of the accused are scheduled to appear in Sydney courts on Friday.
Police allege seven girls from vulnerable backgrounds aged between 12 and 16 were procured for the four men, and possibly other male customers, over a two-year period.
Police prosecutor Len Kerr said Toma was charged with being part of the alleged child prostitution ring and, if convicted, faced up to 20 years' jail.
Magistrate Robert Rabbidge said police were alleging that in one instance Toma met a 12-year-old girl on the street and she got into his car. He asked the girl how old she was and she told him she was 13.
Toma declined to have sex with her, but the girl expressed a fear that if she didn't, she would get in trouble with the woman who'd allegedly procured her.
Police allege that Toma told the girl she could either perform oral sex or masturbation on him, which she did for $10.
Toma immigrated from Iraq in 1980 and lives in Cabramatta, in Sydney's southwest, with his wife and two adult daughters, the court heard.
His wife and one his six sisters were in court on his behalf.
Toma's solicitor, John Young, applied for bail, noting that the charges were serious because they involved underage girls, but that his client had strong ties to the local community and was not a flight risk.
The magistrate said the alleged facts showed "an extremely powerful case" against Toma.
"I have grave concerns that a 55-year-old man would be preying on very young female children," Mr Rabbidge said in refusing Toma's bail application.
Bassam Darwich, 52, from Chester Hill, appeared briefly in the same court charged with five child sex and prostitution offences.
He did not apply for bail, which was formally refused.
His solicitor, Peter Proctor, said Darwich intended to plead not guilty to all charges.
The matters for both men are scheduled to come before the same court on July 18.

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#1412 From: Amber McKinley <amber_mckinley13@...>
Date: Mon May 28, 2012 10:20 am
Subject: Public Mauling 		amber_mckinl...
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Does anyone know anything more of this case?
 
Thanks,
Amber

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#1413 From: "braceanalysis" <braceanalysis@...>
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:51 pm
Subject: johndouglasmindhunter.com pulled the plug ... 		braceanalysis
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Without any prior warning, at least not that I know of, JD's website is offline
for construction and will no longer host a bulletin board/forum.

I hope my link to President Obama's BRACE Character Profile did not cause the
termination. I would have appreciated a chance to copy some posts, but then
again I keep a copy of everything in cyberspace.

First SK.net, now JD's website. What's the world coming to? :-)

Russell

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#1414 From: Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...>
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2012 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: johndouglasmindhunter.com pulled the plug ... 		braceanalysis
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For those who have not read related posts, the Obama profile is compared to terrorist Osama, spy Hanssen and activist Pleasant. The link is below:

Barack Hussein Obama II:  The Content of His BRACE Character Profile (PDF download)
 http://www.braceanalysis.com/downloads/2012_Barack_Hussein_Obama_BRACE_REPORT.pdf
 
You might want to skip the long introduction and standard information and go to page 11. Start on page 13 for President Obama compared to terrorist Osama bin Laden, FBI spy Robert Philip Hanssen, and activist Mary Ellen Pleasant.

I still find it interesting,
Russell

From: braceanalysis <braceanalysis@...>
To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: [deviantcrimes] johndouglasmindhunter.com pulled the plug ...

 
Without any prior warning, at least not that I know of, JD's website is offline for construction and will no longer host a bulletin board/forum.

I hope my link to President Obama's BRACE Character Profile did not cause the termination. I would have appreciated a chance to copy some posts, but then again I keep a copy of everything in cyberspace.

First SK.net, now JD's website. What's the world coming to? :-)

Russell




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#1415 From: "kat_yares" <katyares@...>
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2012 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: johndouglasmindhunter.com pulled the plug ... 		kat_yares
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I'll download it here in a bit.  That sucks about the JD board - heck, I was
just there yesterday.  Nice of them to give us a warning.

Expect this group will grow now.  Anyone else know of other similar boards?

Kat

--- In deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com, Russell Smith <braceanalysis@...> wrote:
>
> For those who have not read related posts, the Obama profile is compared to
terrorist Osama, spy Hanssen and activist Pleasant. The link is below:
>
> Barack Hussein Obama II:  The Content of His BRACE Character Profile (PDF
download)
>
 http://www.braceanalysis.com/downloads/2012_Barack_Hussein_Obama_BRACE_REPORT.\
pdf
>  
> You might want to skip the long introduction and standard information and
> go to page 11. Start on page 13 for President Obama compared to terrorist
Osama
> bin Laden, FBI spy Robert Philip Hanssen, and activist Mary Ellen Pleasant.
>
> I still find it interesting,
> Russell
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: braceanalysis <braceanalysis@...>
> To: deviantcrimes@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 2:51 PM
> Subject: [deviantcrimes] johndouglasmindhunter.com pulled the plug ...
>
>
>  
> Without any prior warning, at least not that I know of, JD's website is
offline for construction and will no longer host a bulletin board/forum.
>
> I hope my link to President Obama's BRACE Character Profile did not cause the
termination. I would have appreciated a chance to copy some posts, but then
again I keep a copy of everything in cyberspace.
>
> First SK.net, now JD's website. What's the world coming to? :-)
>
> Russell
>

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