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Wish you well my friend, your only a few steps away from making it
happen! Ray

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#1916

From: "phil308au" <koanbodhi@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:59 am
Subject: hi group

phil308au

hi all you celliers , hope all is well with u all , just saying
hi ,havent been on for a long time , hi ren , steve etc , you should
all be flying aroung the universe in ya old cars by now  , hay
lol , I am starting to work on my cell again after a few set backs
and ren would lov to get some water from u soon if that is still ok
and you r still there , anyway I still hav your  number so I will
ring when I am ready if thats ok , anyway will talk some more soon
keep up the good work all, love and light   phil

#1917

From: rencells
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: hi group

rencells

G'day strangler, bugger it, stranger <g>,
Not there any more Phil, and a different number for the talking bone.
Water around here should be good. No chance to try it yet.
Goodies at ya
Ren
--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "phil308au"
<koanbodhi@d...> wrote:
> hi all you celliers , hope all is well with u all , just saying
> hi ,havent been on for a long time , hi ren , steve etc , you
should
> all be flying aroung the universe in ya old cars by now  , hay
> lol , I am starting to work on my cell again after a few set backs
> and ren would lov to get some water from u soon if that is still ok
> and you r still there , anyway I still hav your  number so I will
> ring when I am ready if thats ok , anyway will talk some more soon
> keep up the good work all, love and light   phil

#1918

From: "phil308au" <koanbodhi@...>
Date: Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: hi group

phil308au

--













ok ren no problem , will have to get in touch with you soon , will
keep the group posted on my cell  work , have to get some water from
somewhere , should be able to find some around here , all the best
phil

- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, rencells
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> G'day strangler, bugger it, stranger <g>,
> Not there any more Phil, and a different number for the talking
bone.
> Water around here should be good. No chance to try it yet.
> Goodies at ya
> Ren
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "phil308au"
> <koanbodhi@d...> wrote:
> > hi all you celliers , hope all is well with u all , just saying
> > hi ,havent been on for a long time , hi ren , steve etc , you
> should
> > all be flying aroung the universe in ya old cars by now  , hay
> > lol , I am starting to work on my cell again after a few set
backs
> > and ren would lov to get some water from u soon if that is still
ok
> > and you r still there , anyway I still hav your  number so I will
> > ring when I am ready if thats ok , anyway will talk some more
soon
> > keep up the good work all, love and light   phil

#1919

From: "exiceee" <exice@...>
Date: Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:30 pm
Subject: Thanks for info/answers

exiceee

Thanks to Ren and anyone who commented on my questions and comments.
I stop by the board often and don't always post, but I read and try
to learn. I don't have much to say until I get my parts and books,
but I do appreciate the info, and thanks. USA Mike

#1920

From: "glennmr2002" <glennmr2002@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2003 10:27 am
Subject: what about G Mutch's Matrix??

glennmr2002

dear group,
             Is the matrix presented by Geoff Mutch on
http://www.atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/joecell.htm
valid? Should we build a cell exactly on these dimensions?
(I'm a newcomer)
glennmr

#1921

From: witty_76
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: aether propellor

witty_76

Hi Daniel, I've been unable to find anything about the apparatus
again. If i come accross it again I'll be sure to post URLs

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Moeck
<dmoeck@e...> wrote:
> Hi Witty,
>
>  What I'm talking about looks like the wire braids required
> >for Hudson's white gold apparatus. Manna, white gold, the ark etc
>
> I'm very familiar with Hudson's work but I never heard of his white
gold
> apparatus. Do you have a link where I can learn more about it?
>
> Daniel
>
> --

#1922

From: witty_76
Date: Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:14 am
Subject: water

witty_76

Just a thought, it might be good to get water from something like
cellery or some other vegetable - after all this water has been part
of something living. It'd take a shitload of vegies and filtering to
obtain enough water but it might be worthwhile. Also with the snow
falling there will be good water coming down the alpines.

#1923

From: rencells
Date: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:35 am
Subject: Re: what about G Mutch's Matrix??

rencells

G'day glennmr,
yep, Grant has some good maths and is a beaut bloke to boot. However
Alex's book ( a must for celerymen )has a section on matrices for
cells. I can't fault Alex's maths either.
Goodies at ya
Ren

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "glennmr2002"
<glennmr2002@h...> wrote:
> dear group,
>             Is the matrix presented by Geoff Mutch on
> http://www.atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/joecell.htm
> valid? Should we build a cell exactly on these dimensions?
> (I'm a newcomer)
> glennmr

#1924

From: "jazzstang" <raywolfe@...>
Date: Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: water

jazzstang

Use tap water, poor into an open top container, leave uncovered over
night (to allow chlorine to evaporate), then add 7-drops of 35% food
grade Hydrogen Poroxide to it , stir lightly with a wooden or plastic
utensil, let stand for at least 4 hours (kills germs, bacteria, and
so forth), then use in your cell. As far as i can conclude, there is
no reason (other than wacked out frequencies) that this water should
not work! Goodie at ya! Ray

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, witty_76
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Just a thought, it might be good to get water from something like
> cellery or some other vegetable - after all this water has been
part
> of something living. It'd take a shitload of vegies and filtering
to
> obtain enough water but it might be worthwhile. Also with the snow
> falling there will be good water coming down the alpines.

#1925

From: "nocman43202" <nocman43202@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:14 am
Subject: Re: New member, looking for info on meyer hydro production method

nocman43202

Hey there.  I live about 15 minutes from where Stanley Meyer lived.
He setup a 40 acre facility to install his devices for $1000 at a
drive through type shop.  He turned down GM and several other offers
for the highest of $300,000,000 (if I remember correctly).  When they
had the shop all ready to go, he was approached and roughed up and
told not to go forward.  There were about 2 weeks until the official
opening, he came out of the cracker barrel restaurant, grabbed his
chest, and said "they got me" and fell over dead.

It was something like that.  He used to drive his dune buggy around
town, and my buddy who lived there saw him at the Radio Shack every
so often. Others saw him flying his plane which also ran off the
hydrogen.  Anyway, I went by his house and a label on the door
says "Under FBI watch 24x7, do not enter" something like that.  It
could be paranoia but it appeared a couple black cars followed me
back for most of the way home.  Well, story goes that as soon as he
died, some agency took all the documents and prototypes and
vanished.  His house isn't even listed in the Franklin County
Auditor's page as an address anymore (3792 Broadway, Grove City, Ohio
43123)!!!  How crazy.

But besides this, you can get Stanley Meyer's books from New
Zealand.  He has 2 manuals and I think a video.  This is the only
spot I know of that still sells it.  To find the actual name, go to
the Library of Congress and search for Stanley Meyer.  Then search
google for the book name.

Now, it appears to me that he left a few things out of the
invention.  His theory was that you use some volume of water as a
capacitor.  You have two charging circuits pulsing through diodes at
a certain frequency into the cell.  There is no place for the voltage
to escape because of the diodes letting current move only one way
(into the water, but not out).  At some point, the water can no
longer store any more charge.  Now since no more charge can be
stored, the capacitor wants to blow up, and in this case, does that
through dissociating into hydrogen and oxygen.

His manuals state that this is causing the electrons to want to jump
to another state (atomic orbital theory?), making one form of the
hydrogen or oxygen unstable (forgive me, it's been a long time since
physics).  Once you get to this point, the molecules naturally will
split to go to a more stable state.

Now from what I read, you may be able to take 110V AC, run it through
2 super high current/voltage diodes straight into a bin of water. But
you would likely blow a circuit breaker in your house before
splitting the water.  Stanley's method boosted the voltage to tens of
thousands of volts at extremely low current though, which may be
needed for the cell.

Now he didn't really give the way away as to how he did it, but he
gave all the theory behind it so someone who is deeply interested
could figure it out.  Please remember he did this for years and had
his own labs, so the chances of you doing it in your home are
probably not very good.  Good luck if you try.  I tried a few methods
out on the internet, even built full pulsating circuits, no luck at
all.  If you are going to go all out though, I would recommend buying
a square wave generator on ebay for your timing so that you have less
things that could go wrong, make sure it has the frequencies Meyer's
gave as required so you can adjust appropriately.  And you may be
able to find the charging circuit from an old computer monitor- the
bit that plugs into the top of the tube, not sure, but good luck.

-Matt

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#1926

From: "nocman43202" <nocman43202@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:38 am
Subject: Re: New guy and questions: Note anyone taking a minute to answer even one would be appreciated

nocman43202

This is partly off subject, but for your remote farm location, do you
have natural gas appliances?  Do you drink a lot of pop/ beer?  If
you, you can use Lye - Sodium Hydroxide drain cleaner mixed in water,
and the aluminum cans to make hydrogen gas quickly and run this into
your appliances.  Storage is in a propane tank.  If you search around
enough, you may find the proper way to do this, just a thought.  -Matt

#1927

From: "nocman43202" <nocman43202@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:43 am
Subject: Question on Joe Cell

nocman43202

Just curious as I was looking through the pictures.  The joe cell
looks like an electrolysis machine with a lot of surface area - a
series electrolyzer I believe

  outer pipe + - + - + - + - inner pipe

Each pipe adds more surface area to create hydrogen and oxygen.

I had very good success with just 2 pipes about 1mm apart, hooked up
to a 12V battery.  I thought that adding more pipes, as in the Joe
Cell, would created even more. Can someone explain to me what
differentiates this from a series or parallel plate electrolyzer?
Thank you,

Matt

#1928

From: "Benjamin" <mindkrasher@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:44 am
Subject: The True Joe Cell...

mindkrasher

I am going to share with you all what I have learned about.

- The Joe Cell requires the operator to have an imbedible emotion of
bliss or compasion which can be explained... (balanced - in tune with
the source)
http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/indexdw.html
http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/hearttuner/

- If the user also uses monoatomic elements and has an alkaline diet,
the effectivness of the joe cell should be increased. (alkaline body)
http://www.asc-alchemy.com/asc.html

- The joe cell's water, should be monoatomic "trap water" or water
with high spin monoatomic elements in it, which increases the flow of
ether. (alkaline cell)
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/magtrap.htm

- The cell should be built Using the "PHI calculations" in the
mesurements and construction. The joe cell matrix. sacred geomitry
(PHI - for optimum etheric flow)
http://www.atl2.netfirms.com/engy/mutch/matrixlaw/joecell.htm
http://www.pmicro.kz/MISC/UFL/Almanach/AxionA.htm


I hope this helps someone...?

Benjamin - mindkrasher@...

#1929

From: "Benjamin" <mindkrasher@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:48 am
Subject: Joe Cell Rotary???

mindkrasher

Would a Joe cell work even better with a "Wankel Rotary engine" like
those on 1st Generation RX-7's???

I think it would... as the rotary engine is supposed to be very good
for hydrogen... why not zero point?

Benjamin - mindkrasher@...

#1930

From: "nocman43202" <nocman43202@...>
Date: Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:22 am
Subject: Re: New member, looking for info on meyer hydro production method

nocman43202

I found the Stanley Meyer videos and workbook from Australia- one of
the videos was made in New Zealand:

http://www.nutech2000.com/category7_1.htm

If you order them, email me!  I would like to know how good they
are.  I believe prices are in AUS, or $95 + s&h, or about $64 U.S.
dollars for everything (+S&H).

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#1931

From: witty_76
Date: Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:01 am
Subject: statically charged water

witty_76

I'll definately be building this:
http://amasci.com/emotor/kelvin.html

Regarding lightning: Aether is often considered two counter-rotating
whirlwinds. That's one way of looking at it, but it's like saying for
every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. But the
whirlwinds are more like spheres (3D). Everything/energy tries to
achieve a balance. Lightning is simply condensed "static
electricity". Static electricity is simply an imbalance of charge,
but charge is the difference in spin between two "whirlwinds",
otherwise known as pressure, tension, potential diffrerence or
voltage. Lightning displays the golden ratio between branches because
when there's a lot of spin one direction in the clouds, and the earth
has the opposite spin, they eventually build up enough pressure to
achieve balance. And with the two counter-rotating spherical
whirlwinds, they compress in the natural path, and only path of life,
the golden spiral and thats why we see the golden ratio - it's a huge
fractal where the energy follows a dna-like spiral up and down. I've
believed this for a long time but didnt fully understand it. I'd be
interested to statically charge water with the device at
http://amasci.com/emotor/kelvin.html and see how that affects the
rover - it seems simple enough to build and may do the same thing as
the shocker bottle at www.aquamega.biz

#1932

From: "gm" <lada45@...>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 8:40 am
Subject: gm status report

gmgm_gm

just a short visit to describe what i doing at time.
the bottle deceived in the last time only surges from a 9V battery,
the foam and bubbles are all gone, and the walls are not more that
cold. i see a minimal rust development on the upper edges and the foam
(as there was any) turned brown. i would call it the brown scum, but i
don't know was this real.
the bottle is probably unhappy because i spend more time with the car
project. the isolating of the engine is almost completed, i have
received the last plastic ring i need to insert before the drive
shaft. now i drive without temp and oil gauge (oouch) because they
look for (-) on the block, and deteriorate the insulation. as i have
measured i can reach 3500 Ohms between block and chassis, when the
drive shaft is sealed.
i do some mods on my alternator (my power source while driving).
i have to create a section of the output where real AC is present
(with more 1000 Hz, as i have measured) so i insert a 30V 50 Amp
diode, but need today to cut a heat sink in form. the whole thing will
be wrapped into newspaper and plastic bags to avoid shunting. don't
worry, for a test it will be OK :-)

with not fully sealed engine and not full AC put on a 7,2V zener i
have experienced an unpredictable improvement in the fuel usage. it is
actually better than ever before, 7 liter on 100 km in the city. there
are weak points in the work of the engine, if it were not a test phase
i would call the engine behaves bad :-)

in the meantime i reckon the work cycle of the implosion in a 4 stoke
engine. as i know something about engines, i imagine the exhaust phase
would need to come more forward to prevent the slowing down of the
piston by the vacuum effect. i think it is possible to create even a
two stoke engine, where the gas change happens just in the top dead
point. so were a 4 cyl. engine behaving as an inline 8, a V8 like a
V16 :-)
have fun, save earth
gm.

#1933

From: "jazzstang" <raywolfe@...>
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 8:27 pm
Subject: Where is Joe?

jazzstang

I am sure that Joe did'nt go threw all this when he built hes cells!
Maybe what realy brings the cell to life is, "The Big Bang Theory"?
Remember, while Joe was charging the water, he would periodicly light
the bubbles with a mach, and listen for that particular sound! It
makes perfect sense to me that these "Implosions" are a main key to
the success of a living, breeding cell. Joe, i know that you are
reading these posts, please, just tells us what it is!!!
Learning to love all mankind.

#1934

From: rencells
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Joe Cell Rotary???

rencells

G'day,
I been told the wankel rotary was orig designed as orgone engine.
Should be a good goer.
Goodies at ya
Ren

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "Benjamin"
<mindkrasher@y...> wrote:
> Would a Joe cell work even better with a "Wankel Rotary engine"
like
> those on 1st Generation RX-7's???
>
> I think it would... as the rotary engine is supposed to be very
good
> for hydrogen... why not zero point?
>
> Benjamin - mindkrasher@h...

#1935

From: rencells
Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Where is Joe?

rencells

Ray,
if you get the implosions, chuck it on an engine. You blokes do not
know what you have unless you wop it on an engine.
Goodies at ya
Ren

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jazzstang"
<raywolfe@h...> wrote:
> I am sure that Joe did'nt go threw all this when he built hes
cells!
> Maybe what realy brings the cell to life is, "The Big Bang Theory"?
> Remember, while Joe was charging the water, he would periodicly
light
> the bubbles with a mach, and listen for that particular sound! It
> makes perfect sense to me that these "Implosions" are a main key to
> the success of a living, breeding cell. Joe, i know that you are
> reading these posts, please, just tells us what it is!!!
> Learning to love all mankind.

#1936

From: "jazzstang" <raywolfe@...>
Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 5:00 am
Subject: Re: Where is Joe?

jazzstang

Hi Ren, sorry, I hope that my message did'nt implie that I have or am
testing a cell; I don't have, nor am i testing one! I've just been
following the group for a long time, and am trying to rashinalize
what it realy takes to get a cell working properly, and to stay
working. I read many posts of people trying to charge the water using
different approaches. Very few if any at all now, are using Joes
technique. What i'm saying is: I think that a major key to geting the
cell living, breeding, stage three, whatever you want to call it, is
a good jolt of, "Energey", ElectroMagnetic, Orgone, Chi, whatever it
is, and however it is done, I beleive is key! I'm not convinced that
water has to be "Virgin or non poluted" but do beleive that it will
make process easier.

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, rencells
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Ray,
> if you get the implosions, chuck it on an engine. You blokes do not
> know what you have unless you wop it on an engine.
> Goodies at ya
> Ren
>

#1937

From: "glennmr2002" <glennmr2002@...>
Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 4:51 pm
Subject: cell from PVC??

glennmr2002

On http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm
it says (at bottom of page) that "a unit made from sewer PVC parts."
How could this be, since pvc does not have the same properties as
s/s or does it?? Besides, this makes it look too easy.
The same article also mentions the angle of 58 degrees..from my
calculations, this happens to be almost exactly = 1 radian! However,
if we want to base it on the Golden Ratio, as i see it, the
calculation should be: angle  = 2(arctan(1/phi)) = 63.4 degrees
respectfully,
Glennmr

#1938

From: "jazzstang" <raywolfe@...>
Date: Sat Aug 2, 2003 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: cell from PVC??

jazzstang

If I'm not mistaken, Joe tried using PVC, and had the crap scared out
of him! The lid expanded about 2-3 inches. I would of stoped at 1/2
inch :-) If you choose to use PVC, best be careful!



--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "glennmr2002"
<glennmr2002@h...> wrote:
> On
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm
> it says (at bottom of page) that "a unit made from sewer PVC
parts."
> How could this be, since pvc does not have the same properties as
> s/s or does it?? Besides, this makes it look too easy.
> The same article also mentions the angle of 58 degrees..from my
> calculations, this happens to be almost exactly = 1 radian!
However,
> if we want to base it on the Golden Ratio, as i see it, the
> calculation should be: angle  = 2(arctan(1/phi)) = 63.4 degrees
> respectfully,
> Glennmr

#1939

From: "glennmr2002" <glennmr2002@...>
Date: Sun Aug 3, 2003 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: cell from PVC?? and cap angle

glennmr2002

Ok, if using pvc, how would you connect the charging leads? - the
same way as with s/s pipes?  - but they won't conduct normal current?
The angle based on the golden ratio seems the best for interfacing
the cylindrical shapes with the "outside world" - this shape/angle
also used in some of the cloud busters of Trevor Constable!
GR

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jazzstang"
<raywolfe@h...> wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, Joe tried using PVC, and had the crap scared
out of him! The lid expanded about 2-3 inches. I would of stoped at
1/2 inch :-) If you choose to use PVC, best be careful!
>
> >
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "glennmr2002"
> <glennmr2002@h...> wrote:
> > On
> http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm
> > it says (at bottom of page) that "a unit made from sewer PVC
> parts." How could this be, since pvc does not have the same
properties as s/s or does it?? Besides, this makes it look too easy.
> > The same article also mentions the angle of 58 degrees..from my
> > calculations, this happens to be almost exactly = 1 radian!
> However, if we want to base it on the Golden Ratio, as i see it,
the calculation should be: angle  = 2(arctan(1/phi)) = 63.4 degrees
> > respectfully,
> > Glennmr

#1940

From: rencells
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2003 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: cell from PVC?? and cap angle

rencells

G'day Blokes,
Joes pvc cell was the mark 2 and was nothing more or less than a gas
generator very similar to Grey's browns gas generator. I would just
about bet my left tentacle that Joe had no free energy, just a pipe
full of browns gas, oxygen, and hydrogen mix, that he fed into the
air/fuel system.
Making and imploding browns gas is dead simple. Use your 4 inch
cell, wop any sort of water in it, add some caustic soda (lye?),
charge with 36 dc's, wop a lit match in. Now turn the cell cylinders
into wind chimes because it will never ever again be any use as an
orgone accumulator.
Be warned, the above is bloody dangerous, and only a fool such as I
would do it. Ok, I did it. I wrecked a perfectly good cell, I fair
near blew my shed off the mountain, and my wife and kids thought I
had killed myself. No more, under threat of divorce.
Goodies at ya
Ren

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "glennmr2002"
<glennmr2002@h...> wrote:
> Ok, if using pvc, how would you connect the charging leads? - the
> same way as with s/s pipes?  - but they won't conduct normal
current?
> The angle based on the golden ratio seems the best for interfacing
> the cylindrical shapes with the "outside world" - this shape/angle
> also used in some of the cloud busters of Trevor Constable!
> GR
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jazzstang"
> <raywolfe@h...> wrote:
> > If I'm not mistaken, Joe tried using PVC, and had the crap
scared
> out of him! The lid expanded about 2-3 inches. I would of stoped
at
> 1/2 inch :-) If you choose to use PVC, best be careful!
> >
> > >
> > --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "glennmr2002"
> > <glennmr2002@h...> wrote:
> > > On
> >
http://www.nutech2000.com/webtext/joecell/stevens/comXtexjoe1.htm
> > > it says (at bottom of page) that "a unit made from sewer PVC
> > parts." How could this be, since pvc does not have the same
> properties as s/s or does it?? Besides, this makes it look too
easy.
> > > The same article also mentions the angle of 58 degrees..from
my
> > > calculations, this happens to be almost exactly = 1 radian!
> > However, if we want to base it on the Golden Ratio, as i see it,
> the calculation should be: angle  = 2(arctan(1/phi)) = 63.4
degrees
> > > respectfully,
> > > Glennmr

#1941

From: rencells
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2003 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Where is Joe?

rencells

G'day Ray,
re the water. You can get implosions out of any water but it is not
that implosion we want. Joe can get lots of waters to stage 3, but
the word is even he can't keep them at 3 unless the water is the
lizards gizzards. Alex gets to 3 and stays there with good water and
short charges over a month or more at 12 volts. My results are
probably more random and less reliable than Alex's. As Alex says,
different folks will get the same result using different charge
techniques, different waters, and different cylinder lengths.
re a good jolt of energy <g> Yes and no. Works for some for a short
time. Slow and sure, all sorts of things. Consider this ... Joe
calls it "the charge", Alex says it's "orgone". Maybe it's the same.
No one knows enough to state categorically what it is and what it
isn't at the same time. But I believe that frequency is part of it.
I am of the opinion that we need to get the cell material and the
water to a certain unknown frequency so that the cell will do it's
thing, and keep on doing it without ongoing charging. Joe and Alex
seem to agree on that point. So we need to charge the right water in
one of the right ways in a "right" cell that will not leak whatever
the charge or  orgone or whatever it is.
Do not forget the psychokinetic Y factor type thing. Joe says it
happens, Alex says it happens, I have seen it happen many times.
Goodies to all
Ren

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, "jazzstang"
<raywolfe@h...> wrote:
> Hi Ren, sorry, I hope that my message did'nt implie that I have or
am
> testing a cell; I don't have, nor am i testing one! I've just been
> following the group for a long time, and am trying to rashinalize
> what it realy takes to get a cell working properly, and to stay
> working. I read many posts of people trying to charge the water
using
> different approaches. Very few if any at all now, are using Joes
> technique. What i'm saying is: I think that a major key to geting
the
> cell living, breeding, stage three, whatever you want to call it,
is
> a good jolt of, "Energey", ElectroMagnetic, Orgone, Chi, whatever
it
> is, and however it is done, I beleive is key! I'm not convinced
that
> water has to be "Virgin or non poluted" but do beleive that it
will
> make process easier.
>
>
>
> --- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, rencells
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Ray,
> > if you get the implosions, chuck it on an engine. You blokes do
not
> > know what you have unless you wop it on an engine.
> > Goodies at ya
> > Ren
> >

#1942

From: "jazzstang" <raywolfe@...>
Date: Mon Aug 4, 2003 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: Where is Joe?

jazzstang

Howdy Ren, we are pretty much on the same page, allthough your
experience with the cells far out wiegh mine. I'm centered on the
Energy Jolt, because it is well known, that is what happens when life
begins. Anyway, as it is beleived that the cell becomes a living,
breeder of orgone, then does'nt it make sence that it to must go
through this formation of energy transfer? I to beleive that
frequencies are a part of the process, and yes the Y factor as well.
And just as though the human body needs maintinance, "food, exercise,
water" it would only make sence that the cell wood also! What is the
maintinance for the cell? Looks like one thing is Energey! Energey
from what though? Or should I say who? What if the maintinance was as
simple as say, nurchering a baby, or freshly planted flower? What if
all the cell wanted, was for you to make sure that its water was
always clean, that you let no harm come to it, and that you talk to
it throughout the day, that you have Love and Compasion for it? Sound
rediculous? Well before you say yes, remember, Two plants in the same
room, same soil, same water, talk to, and nuture one, and not the
other, I'm sure that you already know wich one grows to be healthy
and strong! The "Y" factor? Most deffinately! Maybe thats all the
maintinance the Cell needs, is to be Loved? Ray

--- In joecellfreeenergydevice@yahoogroups.com, rencells
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> G'day Ray,
> re the water. You can get implosions out of any water but it is not
> that implosion we want. Joe can get lots of waters to stage 3, but
> the word is even he can't keep them at 3 unless the water is the
> lizards gizzards. Alex gets to 3 and stays there with good water
and
> short charges over a month or more at 12 volts. My results are
> probably more random and less reliable than Alex's. As Alex says,
> different folks will get the same result using different charge
> techniques, different waters, and different cylinder lengths.
> re a good jolt of energy <g> Yes and no. Works for some for a short
> time. Slow and sure, all sorts of things. Consider this ... Joe
> calls it "the charge", Alex says it's "orgone". Maybe it's the
same.
> No one knows enough to state categorically what it is and what it
> isn't at the same time. But I believe that frequency is part of it.
> I am of the opinion that we need to get the cell material and the
> water to a certain unknown frequency so that the cell will do it's
> thing, and keep on doing it without ongoing charging. Joe and Alex
> seem to agree on that point. So we need to charge the right water
in
> one of the right ways in a "right" cell that will not leak whatever
> the charge or  orgone or whatever it is.
> Do not forget the psychokinetic Y factor type thing. Joe says it
> happens, Alex says it happens, I have seen it happen many times.
> Goodies to all
> Ren
>